Thoughts on PHBII

Personally, I think I'd prefer new arcane classes showing up in an arcane book, with new phbs being dedicated to new power sources.
 

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I agree with mairux. New PHB's will only deal with new power sources.

Also, I really don't want to wait 2+ years for Samurai and monk rules. So lets hope they come out sooner. Like in PHBII. Also, I hope Bard is available on DDI soon, instead of taking up space in PHBII.
 

drothgery said:
Hmm... taking a few things into account

The PHB2 has been confirmed to have classes using the primal and psionic power sources. It's also been said they'd like to fit shadow in, but they need room for some things that use one of the original three power sources.

Classes that have been all but confirmed for PHB2 - barbarian, bard, druid, sorcerer

Classes really needed for Eberron - artificer, barbarian, druid, psion, soulknife, necromancer; it's safe to say that if there's one class in the Eberron player's book, it'll be artificer

So here's my guess for the PHB2 classes

arcane - bard (leader)*, sorcerer (controller)*
primal - barbarian (defender)**, druid (hybrid)*
psionic - soulknife (striker), psion (controller)
shadow - necromancer (leader), illusionist (controller)

* this class defintiely has this role and power source, though it might not be in PHB2
** this class definitely has this power source, guessing on the role
Those are very reasonable speculations.
 

Though I remember a gleemax post where the sorcerer was said to be pretty wild, possibly with wild magic. Sounds like that fits with the primal power source and earns it's place in the new book by having a new source.
 


Sitara said:
I agree with mairux. New PHB's will only deal with new power sources.

I'm almost sure WotC has explicitly said otherwise.

Sitara said:
Also, I hope Bard is available on DDI soon, instead of taking up space in PHBII.

Even if the bard is on DDI, it will reappear in a print product, most likely PHB2. There's no way wizards is going to relegate the bard to online-only; it's not the psychic rogue or something equally obscure.

Also, WotC has definitely said the sorcerer is arcane.
 

malraux said:
Personally, I think I'd prefer new arcane classes showing up in an arcane book, with new phbs being dedicated to new power sources.
Sitara said:
I agree with mairux. New PHB's will only deal with new power sources.
Agree that you'd prefer it, or agree that it is going to happen? Because they have explicitly said that the the splatbooks won't have classes, and that PHB2 will have classes for the PHB1 sources.


glass.
 

glass said:
Agree that you'd prefer it, or agree that it is going to happen? Because they have explicitly said that the the splatbooks won't have classes, and that PHB2 will have classes for the PHB1 sources.


glass.
I though it was that just that splats would only focus on a single power source and only have powers for those of that source, like the martial splat on the schedule now. Or did I misunderstand that? Certainly they aren't limiting new classes to just the phbs, as the spellsword shows.
 

Sitara said:
Another thing I am wondering about is the Barbarian; how will they focus him? Fighters are already damage soakers while rangers are miobile and hit hard.


Barbarians (Angry power source) will be angry. All the time.
 

Re: Useless Symmetry and Roles:

We'll see more controllers. I promise you. WotC would not just leave one class as a controller. In fact, I remember a blog post where they were discussing a Divine Controller, who did lots of flame strikes, et al.

Now, some Power Sources may lack one of the roles. Ki may not have a controller or leader. Shadow may not have a Defender. Psionics might not have a leader or a defender (Psychic warrior, at least in my mind, is too similar to the Swordmage unless they do something interesting).

Re: Which class is which role.

The class and race book said Monks would be a striker. I personally can't see psionicists not being controllers, because leaders seem less involved in effecting the enemy, as opposed to buffing/helping the party.

The barbarian will not be a controller. First of all, controllers have far too few HP for a barbarian. Next, look at the Rogue; he's shifting people a lot, as well as moving and attacking. And many, MANY skirmishers in the MM can "Move x squares, make y number of attacks, do not incur OAs". The barbarian screams striker to me, because very little of his abilities correspond with "Tieing enemy down".

I'm more curious how they're going to handle Elementalists, at least from a role perspective.
 

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