D&D 4E [Thread from 2005] Ridiculing People Who Want to Talk About 4E - Okay on ENWorld?

[The Shaman]

Its fine to do that in the 4e thread marked humor...

Whew! I thought I was just wasting bandwidth!

 

[Umbran]

I think the big problem is posters won't let a serious discussion actually happen.

Actually, that's a symptom, not the problem itself. The problem is that on this topic, the site is not fulfilling it's original purpose.

The riducule comes from the fact that the topic has come up repeatedly, over and over, month after month, since the release of 3.5e. And the folks posting in a new thread haven't seen the old threads, or ignore them. So the information in them is ignored. And that means the same discussion, over and over, time and again.

And each time it comes up anew, someone else gets alarmed, someone else gets annoyed at WotC money-grubbing. Or if it isn't someone new, it's an old someone who gets alarmed or annoyed again.

End result, even without the ridicule, is threads serving no useful purpose, and aguably having undesireable effect. They are not creating new information, not exchanging new ideas, because with each new thread the same old information must be reiterated before new discussion can happen.

Thus, the site is not doing it's original job - informing people about the state of the game. If folks were informed (say, by reading the discussion in the old threads before starting new ones), most of the new ones wouldn't need to be made, and folks wouldn't be getting annoyed.

 

[Crothian]

And each time it comes up anew, someone else gets alarmed, someone else gets annoyed at WotC money-grubbing. Or if it isn't someone new, it's an old someone who gets alarmed or annoyed again.

And then they go and post casuing problerms instead of just letting the people discuss it. If people are tired of the threads, they can ignore them easily. THere is no reason to post in these threads and troll except to disrupt the conversation.

And if this site had solid facts to report on 4e, I imagine it would. Till that happens people should be allowed to speculate.

 

[Umbran]

And then they go and post casuing problerms instead of just letting the people discuss it. If people are tired of the threads, they can ignore them easily.

It isn't that simple.

Some folks find the idea of 4e alarming. They write and post in such a way as to cause others to become alarmed.

Other folks find the idea of 4e annoying. They write and post in such a way as to cause others to become annoyed or angry.

Yet other folks don't find anything to get annoyed and angered about. They generally don't want anyone to get annoyed and angered over it, and they post to try to keep that form happening.

Everybody is getting tired of butting heads, but nobody wants to let the others have sway.

And if this site had solid facts to report on 4e, I imagine it would. Till that happens people should be allowed to speculate.

I kinda thought WotC's "well give at least one year's notice" kinda qualifies as a pretty solid fact, but that's just me.

Fine, allow people to speculate - but how about applying the Hivemind model: Only a few active threads on it at a time. Right now, there's 4 or 5 threads on 4e on the first page of the general forum alone. If we have so little data, surely the topic doesn't deserve that much discussion.

 

[Crothian]

It isn't that simple.

Everybody is getting tired of butting heads, but nobody wants to let the others have sway.

I think it is that simple. People behave in other threads.

there's 4 or 5 threads on 4e on the first page of the general forum alone. If we have so little data, surely the topic doesn't deserve that much discussion.

Not all of them are serios threads though, I think there are two attempt of serious threads and 2 or 3 that are basically making fun of those threads and in some regards the posters within.

 

[Zenodotus of Ephesus]

I believe there is enough interest and threads on the topic that a 4E forum should be created. That would solve all of the problems that have come up.

No more difficulty locating the old 4E threads. No more reason for people to be annoyed and post those troublesome, humorous comments that make it impossible for serious 4E discussion to continue. No more problem with too many threads about a product that WotC employees flatly deny is currently in the works, nor need to insinuate they are liars.

"d20 Modern, d20 System & OGL Games" has it's own forum, and 4E needs its own forum, too. It's popularity as a topic of serious discussion is only going to increase as we get closer to next week's release date.

 

[Quasqueton]

Just for some info:

Since Aug 15 (1 month/4 weeks ago):

Threads on "4th edition": 10 (+2 on "6E")

Serious: 7

Humorous: 3 (+2 on "6E")

Quasqueton

 

[William Ronald]

I believe there is enough interest and threads on the topic that a 4E forum should be created. That would solve all of the problems that have come up.

No more difficulty locating the old 4E threads. No more reason for people to be annoyed and post those troublesome, humorous comments that make it impossible for serious 4E discussion to continue. No more problem with too many threads about a product that WotC employees flatly deny is currently in the works, nor need to insinuate they are liars.

"d20 Modern, d20 System & OGL Games" has it's own forum, and 4E needs its own forum, too. It's popularity as a topic of serious discussion is only going to increase as we get closer to next week's release date.

I concur with this proposal. We can move the speculation to a new forum, and allow for 4E humor threads, speculative threads, and discussion of issues that posters want the designers to address in a new edition.

 

[Crothian]

Just for some info:

Since Aug 15 (1 month/4 weeks ago):

Threads on "4th edition": 10 (+2 on "6E")

Serious: 7

Humorous: 3 (+2 on "6E")

Quasqueton

Wow, nice info.

Defiantly not enough for a new forum.....

 

[Dinkeldog]

I'd be more inclined to support a 4E tag for threads. I doubt there would be enough traffic in a dedicated 4E subforum.