Time to Brag - We whupped the main villain 13 levels too soon!

[Shard O'Glase]

Not to be a poop, but what kind of high-level fighter doesn't drink a Potion of Fly before entering combat?

Also not sure how you broke his +5 magic glaive. Did you have a +5 magic weapon up?

maybe he had a sundering weapon of some type. And the type of fighter with a unlimited teleport braclet is the type not to worry about a potion of fly. When you can pretty much teleport at will a potion of fly very rarely comes in handy.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

Pathetic. Simply pathetic. His "tactics", if you can call them that, are worthy of a 6 int creature. Any high level Fighter without Fly is an idiot, especially if they possess no ranged weapons. Not to mention the way he fought the party. Bah.

what astounding tactics would you have a single fighter use. There tactics pretty much are beat the crap out of everyone. which is what the fighter did. And again a fighter who can teleport at will doesn't need to be able to fly, so he'd hardly be an idiot for not having it.

And who says he had no ranged weapons???? If he'd used a bow I'm sure some retarded 20/20 hindsight ass would say a bow, what crap tactics the best way to deal with a mage is by grappling them.

 

[Nifft]

I gotta say, IMHO this villain did a good job, and the party just did a better job.

The BBG was as arrogant as you'd expect someone who hasn't faced a serious challenge in a while... and didn't expect to face one from such a piddling group of do-gooders.

Kudos to the party!

-- Nifft

PS: The BBG's tactics would be horrid if this was the SECOND time he'd met this party -- let them beware, he's not going to "fall" for those tactics again.

 

[RangerWickett]

Nope, no sundering weapon, just an oversight in the rules. And heck, we don't know for certain that it was a +5 weapon. It might've been a +1 keen defending glaive of wounding, in which case I could've gotten it.

We actually only hit him a couple of times. I think his AC was something like 32 (how the heck would he have had an AC in the low 40s, as someone suggested?), and the only times we hit him he was either flanked, or tripped (touch attacks are easy), or he had just charged. Most of the damage was from magic missiles and lightning bolts, honestly. So stop naysaying. Yeah, a really cunning villain would never have come alone if he expected to get beaten on this much, but it still made for a fun fight, and we never complained that the bad guy got away. It will be much more fun when he comes back, maybe in just a couple of days, with a half-dozen allies to lambast us.

I think the only reason monsieur LuYangShih is complaining is because I said he was 20th level, and you think he wasn't played to his full potential. In game, we don't know what level he is. We just knew he was a bad ass who was out to kill us or take us in and then kill us, so we fought back. Plus, goodness, the man could teleport away at will. He wasn't afraid of us.

Right now he's probably slapping himself (in mid-air), realizing he was too confident, and that once he lands and gets himself a new weapon, he'll take us out. Or he'll send lots of henchmen to take us out.

 

[LuYangShih]

what astounding tactics would you have a single fighter use. There tactics pretty much are beat the crap out of everyone. which is what the fighter did.

Wrong. Your attitude isn't surprising, though. Most DMs don't realize Fighters shouldn't just "beat the crap out of everyone". Fighters should utilize tactics just like everyone else. A single Fighter has a plethora of combat options available to him, and they vary greatly from Fighter to Fighter. This Fighter didn't do anything but charge in and try to "beat the crap out of everyone", and he got wasted because of it. I doubt I'd ever see a DM play a 20th level Wizard or Rogue this stupidly.

And again a fighter who can teleport at will doesn't need to be able to fly, so he'd hardly be an idiot for not having it.

You have got to be joking. A Fighter without ranged weapons MUST have fly later in levels, unless he plans to teleport and ATTEMPT to grapple the Colossal Red Dragon as it hovers above and blasts the party with it's breath weapon and spells. A melee Fighter requires fly to close in on ranged threats that fly themselves, or he's worthless.

And who says he had no ranged weapons???? If he'd used a bow I'm sure some retarded 20/20 hindsight ass would say a bow, what crap tactics the best way to deal with a mage is by grappling them. [/B]

Grappling mages is ineffective in most cases. It has a few specific situations where it's great, but mostly you're better off just unleashing a FRA and killing them. Almost no Mage can withstand a high level fighters FRA. Regardless, my point was what kind of Fighter doesn't have fly if he doesn't at LEAST have ranged weapons? How the hell is he going to deal with flying, ranged threats? The Fighter was played badly, and the party capitalized on it. Smart, but their victory was as much due to the DMs follies as their own effeciency.

 

[aliensex]

You do realize he wasn't trying to wipe the party out at this point, just try and capture them right?

 

[LuYangShih]

I think the only reason monsieur LuYangShih is complaining is because I said he was 20th level, and you think he wasn't played to his full potential.

No, the reason I'm criticizing the scenario is because I am sick and tired of seeing DMs use Rogues, Wizards and even Clerics with intelligence and solid planning, but just use Fighters to "beat stuff up".

 

[ghrezdd]

I hate to be a downer, but wouldn't most of the unconscious party be dead from the fireball the mage lobbed. Average dmg for a 7d6 fireball is aprroximately 24 points of dmg. And if you are unconscious then it would be hard to argue for a Reflex save, so all of the unconscious heroes at ground zero of the fireball should be crispy.

I would have taken the capture option, assuming the DM is following standard heroic story conventions (TM) and hoped he alllowed us to escape and in the process learn more of the villian's dastardly plan (as he would brag about it).


But this is only my opinion...

 

[LuYangShih]

You do realize he wasn't trying to wipe the party out at this point, just try and capture them right?

A FRA subdual attack would be just as effective if the level estimates are correct. The Fighter should never have been in the situation he put himself in, though, which is my main point.

 

[Pielorinho]

No, the reason I'm criticizing the scenario is because I am sick and tired of seeing DMs use Rogues, Wizards and even Clerics with intelligence and solid planning, but just use Fighters to "beat stuff up".

I feel for you, man. Ranger, would you ask your DM to revise how he plays the game from now on? Regardless of whether y'all are having a blast, it's really getting on LuYangShih's nerves.

Daniel