Titan Fighting

[IcyCool]

However... I fear I must agree that there's a difference between 'your racial bonus' and 'a bonus equal to your racial bonus'.

This still feels very shaky. Is this the best argument against it?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

With your interpretation, the feat means your AC against giants goes *down* by taking that feat. That makes no sense at all.

Right, which is why I would house rule it to say that, in no way, can taking this feat cause your AC to go down.

But it would be a house rule.

 

[Hypersmurf]

This still feels very shaky. Is this the best argument against it?

What, you don't like the Paladin/Blackguard comparison?

-Hyp.

 

[IcyCool]

What, you don't like the Paladin/Blackguard comparison?

-Hyp.

Actually, I'd like a reference for not allowing a bonus to apply twice. Otherwise, my interpretation of the titan fighting feat is still valid.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Actually, I'd like a reference for not allowing a bonus to apply twice. Otherwise, my interpretation of the titan fighting feat is still valid.

If I create a feat that allows you to add your Dex bonus to AC (limited by the max Dex bonus of armor), would you consider that 'Sweet! Double Dex!' or 'Meh - I can do that already without the feat'?

-Hyp.

 

[Fieari]

Interesting example. I think that, if faced with such a feat, I would read it as double dex...

Really weird feat though, and poorly worded. Which is also how I feel about the Titan Fighting feat too.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Interesting example. I think that, if faced with such a feat, I would read it as double dex...

If it were a feat that let you add your Wisdom bonus to AC, would you consider it to stack with the monk's ability to add Wisdom bonus to AC?

Or would you consider a monk 'a character who can add Wisdom bonus to AC', and a character with the feat 'a character who can add Wisdom bonus to AC', and a monk with the feat 'a character who can add Wisdom bonus to AC'?

-Hyp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Actually, I'd like a reference for not allowing a bonus to apply twice. Otherwise, my interpretation of the titan fighting feat is still valid.

Check out multiple PrC abilities. Specifically, I'm looking at things like the Duelist (add your Int bonus to AC, up to your Duelist level) and ... Champion of Corellon? (add your Int bonus to AC).

Does the above character get to add his Int bonus twice?

 

[IcyCool]

If I create a feat that allows you to add your Dex bonus to AC (limited by the max Dex bonus of armor), would you consider that 'Sweet! Double Dex!' or 'Meh - I can do that already without the feat'?

-Hyp.

The character would not be able to add twice their Dex bonus, but that's because you can't stack Dex bonuses.

As you quite accurately pointed out, racial bonuses and dodge bonuses stack.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The character would not be able to add twice their Dex bonus, but that's because you can't stack Dex bonuses.

He's only got one Dex bonus. What's to stack?

Using the Wisdom example as written above, I consider that there is only one bonus being applied by the monk with the feat.

If both the monk ability and the feat said "Add an insight bonus to AC equal to your Wisdom bonus", there would be two bonuses, but they wouldn't stack.

If both the monk ability and the feat said "Add an bonus to AC equal to your Wisdom bonus", there would be two bonuses, and as unnamed bonuses, they would stack.

The three situations are all different. In the first situation, there's one bonus - Wisdom bonus. In the second, there are three - the Wisdom bonus (not applied to AC); an insight bonus (applied to AC); and another insight bonus (applied to AC) which doesn't stack with the first insight bonus. In the third, there are three bonuses, but the two applied to AC stack.

-Hyp.