To anyone who bought the EPIC LEVEL HANDBOOK
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Lady Dragon
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I think thats why they have created a city just for epic level characters.If you don't want to turn your world into an epic playground take the show off world.
they might as well be...Mythtify said:
Extended lifespan feat... 50% increase in max age every time you take it.
There is an epic red dragon example with 1434 hps...
Chapter in this stuff also...
The power progression of characters through the first 20 levels is fairly linear... It gets a whole lot steeper after that!!!
You know, I really don't get why people are so annoyed at the ELH. Obviously the "if-you-don't-like-it-don't-buy-it" theory can't satisfy the naysayers (which mystifies me), but why is it that people who play Epic-Level games are automatically munchkins?
Someone said (and apologies to that person for not remembering who it was) that munchkins are characters that have gotten their level of power without truly deserving it. While the definition doesn't entirely cover it for me, I really agree with this, because some characters HAVE gotten to high levels--and then to epic levels--quite legitimately. Is a character less valid because he's high-level???
I mean, if you follow the XP rewards from the DMG, in the time it takes to really build a character (in terms of story), you WILL have achieved fairly high levels, and that's without counting story XP awards (which I think most people should encourage, if only to convince the hack-n-slashers that there's an alternative). You could even conceivably reach high levels based on story XP alone, if you play in a very intrigue-heavy campaign!
So either I rolled too low on my Int score to understand the profound ramifications of this issue, or else it's actually been blown WAY out of proportion.
I for one am interested in ELH, if only to see what the truly EPIC heroes can be like. Doesn't even mean I'll use it, but if it gives me even ONE great idea, it'll be worth it.
Someone said (and apologies to that person for not remembering who it was) that munchkins are characters that have gotten their level of power without truly deserving it. While the definition doesn't entirely cover it for me, I really agree with this, because some characters HAVE gotten to high levels--and then to epic levels--quite legitimately. Is a character less valid because he's high-level???
I mean, if you follow the XP rewards from the DMG, in the time it takes to really build a character (in terms of story), you WILL have achieved fairly high levels, and that's without counting story XP awards (which I think most people should encourage, if only to convince the hack-n-slashers that there's an alternative). You could even conceivably reach high levels based on story XP alone, if you play in a very intrigue-heavy campaign!
So either I rolled too low on my Int score to understand the profound ramifications of this issue, or else it's actually been blown WAY out of proportion.
I for one am interested in ELH, if only to see what the truly EPIC heroes can be like. Doesn't even mean I'll use it, but if it gives me even ONE great idea, it'll be worth it.
Dragon Strike
*takes out ELH*, The epic spell Dragon Strike summons 10 adult red dragons (CR 14 each, EL 21)who usually breath flame (total damage 120d10)and attack for the duration of 2 minutes. But the spellcraft DC to research it is DC 50 which makes it viable for a 37th level caster to have 50/50 chance of accomplishing it with a mininum caster level of 28. It also costs 450,000 gp and 18000 XP to research. It also takes you and 10 other spellcasters capable of casting 9th level spells to cast and it costs 2800 XP per each casting per each person. What is the most fearsome spell is the "Vengeful Gaze of God" which does 305d6 damage to a target up to around 2 miles away although it does 200d6 damage to the caster. Basically suicide...
*takes out ELH*, The epic spell Dragon Strike summons 10 adult red dragons (CR 14 each, EL 21)who usually breath flame (total damage 120d10)and attack for the duration of 2 minutes. But the spellcraft DC to research it is DC 50 which makes it viable for a 37th level caster to have 50/50 chance of accomplishing it with a mininum caster level of 28. It also costs 450,000 gp and 18000 XP to research. It also takes you and 10 other spellcasters capable of casting 9th level spells to cast and it costs 2800 XP per each casting per each person. What is the most fearsome spell is the "Vengeful Gaze of God" which does 305d6 damage to a target up to around 2 miles away although it does 200d6 damage to the caster. Basically suicide...
Numion
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I don't get the HIGH POWER = MUNCHKIN equation.
Munchkinism isn't tied to the power level of campaign, really. Munchkins tend to raise the level as they go, but you can be a munchkin and play CoC for example. (Chaosium version.)
Munchkinism isn't tied to the game, setting or power level. Munchkins just are.
If your game wasn't munched out before the Epic levels, it won't be in epic levels.
Munchkinism isn't tied to the power level of campaign, really. Munchkins tend to raise the level as they go, but you can be a munchkin and play CoC for example. (Chaosium version.)
Munchkinism isn't tied to the game, setting or power level. Munchkins just are.
If your game wasn't munched out before the Epic levels, it won't be in epic levels.
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