To anyone who bought the EPIC LEVEL HANDBOOK

[Lady Dragon]

yes there are new uses for old skills,for pretty much all of the skills any particular skill you interested in.

 

[mikebr99]

Does it have any new uses for old skills or does it just list super high DC for amzing manuveurs?

Mainly that second thing...

Bluff, DC 100... disguise surface thoughts.

Escape artist, DC 120... pass through a wall of force.

Spellcraft, DC 70+... identify all properties of magic item.

And my personal fav...

Swim, DC 80... swim up waterfall!!!

 

[Forrester]

Mainly that second thing...

Bluff, DC 100... disguise surface thoughts.

Escape artist, DC 120... pass through a wall of force.

Spellcraft, DC 70+... identify all properties of magic item.

And my personal fav...

Swim, DC 80... swim up waterfall!!!

I just gotta say that I think some of these DCs are way off. I think it should be easier to disguise one's surface thoughts ("LA LA LA LA LA LA LA") than swim up a freaking waterfall.

I think the Listen DC to foil an illusion with an audible component is DC80, isn't it? That seems pretty damn high to me as well. I guess they expect everyone to have items that increase skill checks by +30 (again, it's all about The Magic Items), and so they had to do some inflating . . . ?

 

[mikebr99]

I think the Listen DC to foil an illusion with an audible component is DC80, isn't it?

Yup... DC 80 listen to defeat an Illusion with auditory component.

 

[kreynolds]

I guess they expect everyone to have items that increase skill checks by +30 (again, it's all about The Magic Items)

That's funny (not really), because you can already have items that give a skill bonus of +30 (and epic skill bonus is +31 or higher). You don't have to be epic level to get that. So technically, why should you have at least one? I mean, hey, you've been stomping around for 20 levels kicking the crap outta every baddie you find, saving entire continents from a fiery hell, yada yada yada. You're bound to get some nice equipment along the way.

 

[Metalsmith]

Prolly a little late

Now all we need is a few good rounds of "Uh huh!" and "Nuh uh!", mixed with a little "Oh, yeah? Your momma!", and it'll be like elementary school all over again.

YO MAMMA!

Metalsmith

 

[Ristamar]

I just gotta say that I think some of these DCs are way off. I think it should be easier to disguise one's surface thoughts ("LA LA LA LA LA LA LA") than swim up a freaking waterfall.

Eh... if you were thinking 'la la la la la la la', those would be your surface thoughts. If someone read your surface thoughts at that time, that's what they'd pick up -- 'la la la la la la la.' You're not exactly disguising your thoughts, you're just turning yourself into a mentally gibbering idiot.

Now, I'm not saying it's not effective if you're trying to hide something, but I don't think it's quite the same thing as what is implied in the ELH.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Prolly a little late

YO MAMMA!

Metalsmith

YO MAMMA! YO MAMMA! YO MAMMA! YO!
YO MAMMA! YO MAMMA! YO MAMMA! YO!
YO MAMMA! YO MAMMA! YO MAMMA! YO!
PUT YA' HANDS UP! HO-OOOO! PUT YA' HANDS UP! HO-OOOO!

...ahem...sorry.

 

[kreynolds]

Eh... if you were thinking 'la la la la la la la', those would be your surface thoughts. If someone read your surface thoughts at that time, that's what they'd pick up -- 'la la la la la la la.' You're not exactly disguising your thoughts, you're just turning yourself into a mental gibbering idiot.

ROTFLMAO Oh my god! Now that's funny!!!

 

[Crothian]

That's funny (not really), because you can already have items that give a skill bonus of +30 (and epic skill bonus is +31 or higher). You don't have to be epic level to get that. So technically, why should you have at least one? I mean, hey, you've been stomping around for 20 levels kicking the crap outta every baddie you find, saving entire continents from a fiery hell, yada yada yada. You're bound to get some nice equipment along the way.

Who knew that a first level spell (Jump) would be one small point lower then epic level? Personally, I've yet to have a character with greater then a +20 skill bonus in an item. My rogue had lock pickjs that gave +20 to open locks and disable device. Other then that I had a bard that got +10 to perform through a magical instrument and my Ranger has boots that grant +10 to jump. And of those only the rogue is epic, the bard stopped at 20th level, and the Ranger is level 4. So, do people find or create a lot of items that grant skill bonuses? As you can see in the games I play in and have run it seems to be pretty rare.