Toad Got Nerfed!
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Devilkiller
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WotC Sensed My Guilt!
I'll admit that my sorcerer has a toad familiar. The DM laughed when I took it and said that I was just doing it for the extra hit points. I said that there were stylistic reasons too and struggled to come up with them. I even created a 2nd level spell called Psychedelic Venom to represent the hallucinogenic "toad licking" experience.
Now it seems I'll just be stuck with a familiar who has a move of 5 and no attacks. It kind of feels like I'm being punished rather than just nerfed, but I suppose maybe I deserve it? Of course I could take Polymorph and use it to give the toad a more useful form from time to time, but now that the duration will only be 1 minute per level that won't be so useful.
Oh well, I'd just shut up and take my medicine "like a man", but the cohort I just gained is a level lower because of the -2 to Leadership for having a familiar and my familiar is now semi-useless. That sort of hurts!
The toad, in all his useless glory, is too ingrained in the character's story now to even consider swapping him out, but does anybody have any ideas on how to make him even marginally useful to a party that already has a bat familiar in it for scouting?
I'll admit that my sorcerer has a toad familiar. The DM laughed when I took it and said that I was just doing it for the extra hit points. I said that there were stylistic reasons too and struggled to come up with them. I even created a 2nd level spell called Psychedelic Venom to represent the hallucinogenic "toad licking" experience.
Now it seems I'll just be stuck with a familiar who has a move of 5 and no attacks. It kind of feels like I'm being punished rather than just nerfed, but I suppose maybe I deserve it? Of course I could take Polymorph and use it to give the toad a more useful form from time to time, but now that the duration will only be 1 minute per level that won't be so useful.
Oh well, I'd just shut up and take my medicine "like a man", but the cohort I just gained is a level lower because of the -2 to Leadership for having a familiar and my familiar is now semi-useless. That sort of hurts!
The toad, in all his useless glory, is too ingrained in the character's story now to even consider swapping him out, but does anybody have any ideas on how to make him even marginally useful to a party that already has a bat familiar in it for scouting?
Red Baron
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Fair enough -- some toads can swim reasonably well, although the distinction between "frog" and "toad" is one largely based on habitat and physiology (no chicken and egg arguments, here): both are technically amphibians, of course, but toads tend to live on land.JEL said:
So, my point (which was intended to be off-handed and only half-serious in any case): Saying a toad should grant Swim bonuses or be sent to scout out a swimming dragon at the bottom of a lake is like saying you should get a similar bonus or use in a similar manner a dog familiar (if there were such a thing), since they can swim too, right?
Shard O'Glase
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Even with the +2 cpn I felt the toad was weak. Noramlly I wont take famialiars becuase I'm too lazy to deal with them. Still they changed the toad from a decent familair into a you are the worst powergamer in the history of the world if you take this familiar.
Yeah make something must not take, that's the new balance.
Yeah make something must not take, that's the new balance.
BiggusGeekus@Work
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hong said:
I'm prediciting a decine in that. There have been a lot of "leaks" the most notorious was the Epic Level Handbook worming its way on the internet months before publication. That was a pretty serous snafu and I've wondered since then about the role of the RPGA in this regard.
edit: and just to stay on topic - I never had a problem with the toad familiar. This game has three books of basic rules. Eliminating all traces of unbalance is a dream and +2 CON for arcane casters didn't exactly let anyone to beat up Tiaimat.
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