ToEE: Defeating Iuz - (Update: Iuz defeated!)

[Li Shenron]

Has anyone ever managed to kill Iuz in ToEE? What happened, did he have any interesting equipment, did the game crash? Do you think the programmers made it so that if you're about to kill him, St.Cuthbert appears and prevents you to?

I know that the encounter in near-impossible, but being bored yesterday night I tried to take advantage of the Produce Flame bug, killed everyone else in the room and let Iuz appear. Unfortunately he's immune to fire, so the PF trick didn't work on him, but Prince Thrommel with Fragarach (he's the only PC who can damage Iuz in my party) dropped him to "near death". I tried this battle twice, and both times St.Cuthbert doesn't let me win

Anyone ever succeeded?

 

[Rystil Arden]

Has anyone ever managed to kill Iuz in ToEE? What happened, did he have any interesting equipment, did the game crash? Do you think the programmers made it so that if you're about to kill him, St.Cuthbert appears and prevents you to?

I know that the encounter in near-impossible, but being bored yesterday night I tried to take advantage of the Produce Flame bug, killed everyone else in the room and let Iuz appear. Unfortunately he's immune to fire, so the PF trick didn't work on him, but Prince Thrommel with Fragarach (he's the only PC who can damage Iuz in my party) dropped him to "near death". I tried this battle twice, and both times St.Cuthbert doesn't let me win

Anyone ever succeeded?

I hear you can banish him if you get him to fail his Save...and there's supposedly some extra slide in the ending if you do beat him.

 

[jonesy]

According to:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/temple_of_elemental_evil.txt
it is indeed possible to kill him.

Relevant part quoted:

"It is possible to kill Iuz. You need weapons that can do either Holy and/or
Cold damage to even scratch this guy. (Fragarach and Scather are perfect for
this) When Iuz is summoned, go all out on him and you just might be able to
take him out before St. Cuthbert arrives. He’s not carrying anything with
him, but if you manage to kill him you do get a special ending slide.

-Note: Don says that Using the Dismissal spell will work on Iuz.

Now if you manage to time it so that he dies on the same turn that St.
Cuthbert appears then an interesting bug occurs. St. Cuthbert will show up,
but since Iuz is already dead the dialog won’t occur and the battle will
continue, but since the dialog with Iuz never occurred St. Cuthbert doesn’t
know what to do and just stand there looking dumb. He will stay there for the
rest of the game, even after you finish the battle with Hendrak. You can try
attacking him if you have a death-wish, but be warned that he has absurdly
high statistics that will wipe the floor with your party easily. (70+ AC, 15
attacks per round, (!) and saves in the fifties)"

 

[Li Shenron]

Interesting! Now I HAVE to try again and succeed. I was going to play this cheat just for fun and I was going not to save and instead re-do the battle honestly, but now I'm curious about the special ending (I have however finished the game before, so it's not a big deal to cheat now ).

I in fact noticed that hitting Iuz with normal weapons is impossible. Fragarach is the only that can because it automatically hits. What is instead Scather? How didn't I find it before? :\

Spells are difficult to hurt Iuz too, but some have worked: I've hit him with some Magic Missiles and once even with Grease (but the Sorcerer has SP and GSP). Ice Storm is perfect for the job because it's partly cold damage (probably the only thing Iuz isn't immune to) and gives no save. For once this spell has some use

 

[mac1504]

Sort of OT here, but how are the sound effects in this game?

 

[jonesy]

What is instead Scather? How didn't I find it before? :\

It's part of the reward for rescuing Thrommel. Some three weeks after he leaves the party (and you asked for a reward) you meet a random encounter group who give it to you.

Sort of OT here, but how are the sound effects in this game?

Good.

 

[Li Shenron]

It's part of the reward for rescuing Thrommel. Some three weeks after he leaves the party (and you asked for a reward) you meet a random encounter group who give it to you.

When I finished ToEE the first time, I also rescued Thrommel, but I really don't remember to have received anything... :\ Perhaps more time should have passed and I was too quick ending the adventure? I suppose I should have get out of the temple if I wanted to have that random encounter.

BTW, I would have escorted Thrommel out this time as well, but a strange bug happened: when I get out of the temple and say bye to Thrommel, he disappears but the blue circle around him stays with the party. As soon as I try to change location (anywhere), the game always crashes (tried it many times). So I decided to reload and keep him with me until someone kills him

 

[jonesy]

When I finished ToEE the first time, I also rescued Thrommel, but I really don't remember to have received anything... :\ Perhaps more time should have passed and I was too quick ending the adventure? I suppose I should have get out of the temple if I wanted to have that random encounter.

I met them after 21 days, but a friend of mine saw them on the 50th.

The same friend told me to mention that he managed to kill Iuz in one round with a monk with two pythons.

Oh, and it's possible to kill St.Cuthbert as well. He is CR60.

Edit: I think I might have to start playing ToEE again just to kill them now that I know it can be done.

 

[Li Shenron]

Two more tries yesterday night, but still I wasn't fast enough and St.Cuthbert appear... i'm starting to feel like he is actually there to SAVE Iuz from me and not the opposite

I'll give it a few more tries later but I don't want to get mad... I may just ask around how's the final vignette changed if one ever succeeds in killing this Iuz.

...a friend of mine saw them on the 50th.

The same friend told me to mention that he managed to kill Iuz in one round with a monk with two pythons.

Mmm... how trustable is this friend? One round?

 

[jonesy]

Mmm... how trustable is this friend? One round?

He says it goes something like this (haven't tried it myself yet, but it sounds interesting to say the least):

Half-orc Monk with Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Flurry of Blows, Improved Trip and 28 str.
The rods enchanted into +3 holy, frost, flame, axiomatic with Keen Edge cast on them.
So he does: +13 damage from strength, +16 damage from power attack, +1d6+3 from weapon, +2d6 holy, +2d6 law, +1d6 fire, +1d6 cold, +1 from prayer, +2 from good hope, 6 times a round with haste (at a 19-20 crit range); and as trip attacks they ignore armor.

I don't know whether he came up with this himself or if he saw it somewhere but he swears it works.