Tome of Magic - Using Demon Lords as Vestiges?

[Mouseferatu]

They probably did not want to go down the path of bargaining with fiends for powers - all too much like the 80's equating D&D with Devil Worshiping.

Indeed, I considered that as well. It's possible, I suppose, but no less disappointing, for all that.

And then again, FC2 contains rules for pacts with devils, so it's not exactly a taboo subject...

I have no doubt that the choice of using mostly unknown/made-up names for vestiges was very deliberate.

Well, it depends what you mean by "mostly unknown." The Goetia is extremely well known to those who study the occult or occult history--but you're right that it's fairly obscure (with a few names being exceptions) as regards the general populace.

 

[Terath Ninir]

Well, it depends what you mean by "mostly unknown." The Goetia is extremely well known to those who study the occult or occult history--but you're right that it's fairly obscure (with a few names being exceptions) as regards the general populace.

Since I have studied the occult and occult lore and I've never heard of it, I'd say it's not that well known even in those circles.


As for the original idea: rock on. Sounds like a cool idea.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Since I have studied the occult and occult lore and I've never heard of it, I'd say it's not that well known even in those circles.

Heh. I suppose that's the danger of using "the occult" as a blanket term, when there are so many different areas, practices, beliefs, and cultures to be considered.

I'll rephrase to say that the Goetia is very well known to those who study certain aspects of the occult.

 

[Waylander]

Thank you for all of the replies.

I have FC1 and FC2 on order from Amazon which should hopefully make the process significantly less daunting (particularly if they contain information for a system for pacts albeit not the one I'm trying to develop).

I actually proposed just such an article to Dragon, but alas, they weren't interested.

A real shame! Are there any insights you'd be happy to share in such as system?

 

[Angellis_ater]

Mouseferatu - did you have the article completed or just as a basic idea? I mean, if Dragon didn't want it perhaps you could post it for download?

 

[Mouseferatu]

A real shame! Are there any insights you'd be happy to share in such as system?

Mouseferatu - did you have the article completed or just as a basic idea? I mean, if Dragon didn't want it perhaps you could post it for download?

As of now, I haven't done more than a few basic ideas. If/when I develop it further, though, I'll be happy to let you folks know.

 

[Nifft]

Just a pimp note: y'all have seen the Hellbound, right?

Cheers, -- N

 

[Cabral]

Personally, I'd like to see a write-up of the 72 Demons of Goetia.