Ok maybe I stated things wrongly, I was talking about the *new* vampires, yes there are a *few* vampires that do follow a set of rules, even if they aren't the ones from the setting they are playing in. At least they have some, while others don't. Alleykatt has actually been charmed by a vampire in her past, in the end it actually killed her, and she became another person through great cost to her friends who had her reincarnated by the rules , and by paying some hidden costs that I as a player and alley as a charcter do not know what the price was to this day, an its been years and no one is talking still. Katt had to be reincarnated because of the rules regarding ressurection and blood drains had taken her con to 3 which gave very little chance of her surviving a rez, so her friends had to take another route. Everyone has a history as they say, and Katt's is as varied as many others. I do not have a problem with people playing vamps, I have problem with poorly played vamps and those that think they can do whatever in the face of everything else.