Top 3 positive 4E changes-Forked Thread: ...specific changes 4e needs in your opinion

[thecasualoblivion]

Forked from: To all D&D fans - what are the top 3 specific changes 4e needs in your opinion

On the opposite end of this, what would the three most positive changes 4E made in regards to 3E be?

Mine would be:

1. Less DM preparation and better DM tools, particularly at higher levels
2. What 4E did with monsters, from top to bottom
3. Fixing class balance

Honorable Mention: Riding Sharks

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

1. Rekindled my groups' interest in D&D, and brought back some old 1E buddies.

2. Made me want to DM again.

3. Concentrated on gaming around the table, as opposed to optimization away from it.

 

[Psion]

1) Save mods->fixed DC, reflex = touch AC
2) No full attacks.
3) No dead levels (though SWSE did it better)
4) Death & dying.

X*) Lightening the load on my gaming budget.
* - Because this really is not a direct commentary on the mechanics, like the entirety of some other folks' posts.

 

[avin]

- Less DM work
- Saves
- A lot of balancing

 

[CleverNickName]

I don't play 4E, so take that into consideration. I've formed my opinion from reading the books.

1. The condensed skill system. This is a case where less is definitely more.

2. The economy. I like it so much that I'm using it in my 3.5 game.

3. Two-weapon fighting. The best I've seen in any game edition so far.

 

[Fifth Element]

I also do not play 4E, but I have incorporated some 4E ideas into my 3.5 game. So right now:

1. Monster design, resulting in much less prep work for DM.

2. Parties don't need a divine spellcaster or a wand of CLW to survive.

3. Save-or-die nerfing.

 

[Aus_Snow]

- Less DM work
- Saves
- A lot of balancing

Probably these for me too.

Well, not 'for' me actually. . . I haven't played it, and don't particularly want to. Still, credit where it's [possibly] due, I guess.

 

[Storminator]

1) less work
2) more fun
3) more players & DMs...

PS

 

[Greg K]

I don't play 4e, but my top 3, because I would have liked to have seen them done for 3e.

1. Removing most of the non-biological elements from race and making them feats.

2. Heroic Tier Multiclassing

3. balancing the classes (despite my not liking the choice of mechanics to do so).

Honorable Mention: single saving throw progression.

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

3. balancing the classes (despite my not liking the choice of mechanics to do so).

I would have said that before I played 4e, and indeed I did. What I'm finding, however, is that it may be one of those 'watch what you wish for' things. I could not STAND the fact in 3e that certain classes became all but marginalized as one climbed the levels...

...and I have received the parity I asked for in 4e. Only to find I'm not sure the treatment is worse than the disease. The classes in 4e are very, very similar mechanically (they have to be, or you lose the balance mathematically). It's hard to accept, to be honest. I guess it's better than the alternative, but it's not nearly as cool as I hoped it would be.

Sorry to sorta jump off track on this thread.

WP