D&D 5E Toxicity in the Fandom

[Skalding]

Being a jerk while wrapping yourself in one Cause or another, is still being a jerk. No Cause is immune to being used as cover by jerks.

But not all Causes are equivalent. Some Causes make you a horrible human being, no matter how polite one is about it.

 

[J.Quondam]

No Cause is immune to being used as cover by jerks.

Every cause contains some jerks, but certain causes contain nothing but "jerks".*


* And I'm being very restrained by using the relatively innocuous word "jerk" in reference to those vile causes.

 

[a.everett1287]

Being a jerk while wrapping yourself in one Cause or another, is still being a jerk. No Cause is immune to being used as cover by jerks.

So, if your cause is inclusion and you're a jerk, then yeah, you're a jerk and should probably think about how to less abrasive (although, if you're arguing against someone who doesn't even see you as a person or care about including you in the hobby, go off).

If your cause is arguing against 'wokeness and PC culture' or arguing how everyone is taking too much offense, then you're not a jerk; you're an unsympathetic POS and need to reevaluate your entire life before you DO become irredeemable.

That's the difference between the causes.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Being a jerk while wrapping yourself in one Cause or another, is still being a jerk. No Cause is immune to being used as cover by jerks.

One can, however, seriously question whether defending certain causes, no matter how personally polite one is, isn't pretty much toxic in and of itself, and asking for politeness in response is not a bridge too far.

 

[Zardnaar]

The British get it as a free proficiency, I believe.

Aussies and kiwis get expertise.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If your cause is arguing against 'wokeness and PC culture' or arguing how everyone is taking too much offense, then you're not a jerk; you're an unsympathetic POS and need to reevaluate your entire life before you DO become irredeemable.

I feel like that's still a jerk, just like the Super Saijin III of jerks.

 

[a.everett1287]

I feel like that's still a jerk, just like the Super Saijin III of jerks.

100% correct. I meant to say 'not just a jerk.'

 

[gnarlygninja]

Being a jerk while wrapping yourself in one Cause or another, is still being a jerk. No Cause is immune to being used as cover by jerks.

I won't pretend that progressive spaces are free of unpleasant people, I've met plenty of people who do try to disguise being jerks like you're talking about. But those people are just jerks, their opposites are a lot worse

 

[Ancalagon]

Interpretation without evidence is toxic. Accusations of racism and sexism based off Interpretation without evidence doubly so.

You have to realize that sometimes the statement is evidence of racism, sexism etc. For example, there were a lot of racist and sexist statements in that nuTSR Star Frontiers New Genesis PDF that Tenkar leaked... Another thing to consider is just because you didn't see what was sexist or racist about a statement or action doesn't mean it wasn't racist or sexist. We have quite a ways to go before we reach true equality, and there are things we have to be educate ourselves about.

That being said, ideally the person making those statements should have an opportunity to explain themselves or make amends.

 

[DrunkonDuty]

Aussies and kiwis get expertise.

I dunno. I heard the C bomb a lot when I lived London. Much more than I hear it in Oz.