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PF2E TRAILseeker Winding Down

TRAILseeker, the Pathfinder Patreon, is coming to an end. It will be closing down this summer.

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We just announced this over on Patreon:


Hi folks! I'm afraid we have some bad news.

TRAILseeker has had a great run for nearly four years, producing articles and adventures for Pathfinder 1E and then 2E.

Unfortunately, it has never gained real traction, and every month costs us more than we make from it. We kept it going for as long as we could (subsidized by our other publications), but the shortfall is mounting up to the point where we can't afford to continue it.

We're so sorry. We love producing this little magazine. We wish it weren't so.

We have a couple of months' worth of articles left to publish, which we will continue to do, but after that you can expect to see the magazine wind down this summer.

Thank you all so much for your support, whether you are a patron, a writer, a layout designer, an editor, or an artist. It took a small village of people to produce this publication, with wonderful freelancers from around the world.

- Morrus & the EN Publishing team

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I want to clarify that Pathfinder 2E has nothing to do with this decision. The Patreon has been running for a few years, and 2E didn't cause any noticeable change (up or down) in patrons.
 
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Comments

dave2008

Legend
Sorry to hear it, but completely understandable. For some reason PF just doesn't seem to have as much traction on this site.
 

DaveMage

Slumbering in Tsar
I guess PF2 didn't create the new edition "spike" that happened for a lot of 3PPs when PF1 came out. I know there are a handful of companies creating PF2 PDFs, but has any 3PP created any physical PF2 products yet?
 

imagineGod

Adventurer
I guess PF2 didn't create the new edition "spike" that happened for a lot of 3PPs when PF1 came out. I know there are a handful of companies creating PF2 PDFs, but has any 3PP created any physical PF2 products yet?
Does Pathfinder 2 have a similar licensing model to the first Pathfinder or even Starfinder?
If not, maybe that did not attract Third Party Publishers. I have seen lots of "Starfinder compatible" but yet to find any "Pathfinder 2 compatible" content.
 


Anthro78

Explorer
That's unfortunate. It's not easy to judge why certain things get traction and others don't. But I wish you better luck on your next endeavor!
 

MichaelSomething

Adventurer
It could be the case that the appetite for 3rd party Pathfinder stuff is low because Paizo already publishes a bunch of books on a regular basis...
 

Giltonio_Santos

Adventurer
Sad news, but I'm under the impression that PF2 is gaining more traction, albeit slowly. I believe Morrus and the team won't have a hard time bringing back Trailseeker once it proves to be financially viable.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Sad news, but I'm under the impression that PF2 is gaining more traction, albeit slowly. I believe Morrus and the team won't have a hard time bringing back Trailseeker once it proves to be financially viable.
As I mentioned, it has nothing to do with the new edition. It's been the same for about four years.
 


dave2008

Legend
I'm curious what you base this on. The only metric I've seen is sales rank at amazon, which seems to be declining, but I'd love more data points.
TO be honest, all RPGs have been declining in amazon rankings with the up tick in home education books.
 

Giltonio_Santos

Adventurer
I'm curious what you base this on. The only metric I've seen is sales rank at amazon, which seems to be declining, but I'd love more data points.
Just a local anecdote, really, but I think that, as people get the chance to go through it (it's a monster of a book and a monster of a rules system), it's just natural that it raises more interest; it's a solid game, after all.

More of my players are asking to try it on our next campaign, and I've seen some DMs in my online circle describe the same situation.

It's a sign of 5e fatigue also? I think so, but I don't want to derail the thread with that discussion. That said, I expect PF2 to keep expanding its player base in the years to follow, I just don't think that will be enough to threaten 5e's dominance.
 

Igor Mendonça

Villager
Maybe, one way of publishing this type of content is kickstarting seasons, and then using patron (per article, not month) to keep up the season. It would be a mix of classic and crowdfunding investments!

One more thing: I am longing for the day I will find a Patron exclusively focused in bigger adventures. Splat PDF's are cool, one shots are fine sometimes, but fidelity comes with stories!
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Maybe, one way of publishing this type of content is kickstarting seasons, and then using patron (per article, not month) to keep up the season. It would be a mix of classic and crowdfunding investments!

One more thing: I am longing for the day I will find a Patron exclusively focused in bigger adventures. Splat PDF's are cool, one shots are fine sometimes, but fidelity comes with stories!
Check out EN5ider. Whole ZEITGEIST AP. For 5E though.
 

Igor Mendonça

Villager
Check out EN5ider. Whole ZEITGEIST AP. For 5E though.
I do want to run Zeitgeist! But I'm kinda a mad scientist of RPG, so I want it to be using 13th Age and located in Eberron (adapting the genre, not cloning).

So I think that probably the best edition of Zeitgeist for me is the 4th ed. I bought the pdfs until Digging for lies via Drivethru, but now I'm thinking about the massive bundles. Problem is if it would be wrong printing it here in Brazil (shipping is definitely prohibited, minimum wage dropped to USD 0.85/hour this year and Covid just started messing around).

But this could be an option! Creating, let's say, 20 PDFs via a crowdfunding project, then use the patreon to improve or even get some more PDFs.

Pathfinder 2E wise, I mean.
Or! Or! Or! 13th Age wise! This one I could be part of! hahah
 

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