Transhuman Space: Beyond Good and Evil

Nifft said:
Cue Selfish Gene anthropic principle.

Also, I can think of a lot worse reasons to live... :)

Cheers, -- N

Even if you have been given no choice in the matter? Even if your brain has been hardwired to give you a submissive personality and getting aroused by your own pain? Even if those who created you for the black market chose to give you a purr instead of a voice since they thought that there would be no reason for you to speak?

And yet, there are worse things. Like sentient snacks. Food that has been given limited mobility and a mind merely so that those about to eat it could enjoy watching it as it realizes its fate and shivers in terror...
 

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Transhuman Space is Call of Cthulhu further along the process of mankind becoming like unto the Great Old Ones.

I'd put a smiley, but I'm honestly not sure if that's a joke or not.

At the very least, you could easily play it that way.
 


GreatLemur said:
The only grounds one could object on are drastically illogical "I don't like the kind of fun those people are having!" arguments.

You never even knew they existed thanks to the Terran Global Ignore Filter :) Unless you met them in real life, but your onboard sensors should be able to paint over the chroma cells of your eyes so you at best see their outline in order to avoid running into them.
 

Jürgen Hubert said:
Even if you have been given no choice in the matter? Even if your brain has been hardwired to give you a submissive personality and getting aroused by your own pain?
People like that exist right now. They were given no choice in the matter. Frequently, they find themselves in situations that are dangerous or expensive or both. At least in this case they wouldn't have to pay for their abuse.

Jürgen Hubert said:
Even if those who created you for the black market chose to give you a purr instead of a voice since they thought that there would be no reason for you to speak?
With no voice or reason to speak, speech centers wouldn't develop. You'd end up with something that lacks several key human capabilities -- it would be an animal. And I honestly don't care if you like to sleep with a purring human-shaped dumb animal, especially if the animal were "hardwired" to enjoy it. I wouldn't particularly respect you, but neither would you horrify me.

Jürgen Hubert said:
And yet, there are worse things. Like sentient snacks. Food that has been given limited mobility and a mind merely so that those about to eat it could enjoy watching it as it realizes its fate and shivers in terror...
Yep, that's worse. Unless the shivering made it taste better... mmm, carbonated brain-shrimp!

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But what all these horror-cases overlook is the massive expense inherent in educating a potential individual such that it actually becomes an individual capable of recognizable conscious thought. Babies are cute, and I don't care to see them eaten, but they could not ever shiver in the horror of their abject helplessness, because they are not conscious of it.

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If copying & pasting consciousness were possible, then the door to horror is wide open, because the logistical expense of education disappears... so long as you're content eating / screwing / killing the same person over and over, or the same small subset. But the mind-warping horror scenarios are still reduced (vs. "the Cheerios are screaming, each in his own o-shaped voice... ai, the spoon! spoon f'thaghen!")

Anyway. I'm looking forward to it. :)

Spoooon! -- N
 

Nifft said:
With no voice or reason to speak, speech centers wouldn't develop. You'd end up with something that lacks several key human capabilities -- it would be an animal. And I honestly don't care if you like to sleep with a purring human-shaped dumb animal, especially if the animal were "hardwired" to enjoy it. I wouldn't particularly respect you, but neither would you horrify me.

Who says they are dumb? They have been given human or near-human intelligence to their designers in most cases...

Yep, that's worse. Unless the shivering made it taste better... mmm, carbonated brain-shrimp!

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But what all these horror-cases overlook is the massive expense inherent in educating a potential individual such that it actually becomes an individual capable of recognizable conscious thought. Babies are cute, and I don't care to see them eaten, but they could not ever shiver in the horror of their abject helplessness, because they are not conscious of it.

These expenses are much, much lower in the Transhuman Space era. If you are creating biological androids ("bioroids"), you can create the body relatively quickly. After that, it takes about three years (or less, for less detailed programming) in a full virtual reality environment to teach the bioroid the skills an adult human might conceivably have learned.

In the beginning, the bioroids generally will enjoy their enslavement, since that's all they have been trained to do and their bodies are hardwired for it. But as they grow older, they can learn to understand their situation. And in most jurisdictions where such "sex bioroids" can be created (there are other variants, such as for combat and extreme environments), they have few if any rights.

As for the sentient snacks, they are actually controlled by a tiny, computer (which can be safely swallowed) run by an artificial intelligence of sorts. This won't be the brightest of programs, but it is just barely possible to put a low-res personality copy of a human being into it, with the recognizeable personality of the original.

If copying & pasting consciousness were possible, then the door to horror is wide open, because the logistical expense of education disappears...

And indeed, that is entirely possible. Most people still prefer to raise kids the normal way (that is, artificially inseminated, checked for genetical problems, adding some new and improved genes, and possibly putting it into an artificial womb for the duration of the pregnancy) - but the alternatives are becoming more common all the time.
 

MoogleEmpMog said:
Transhuman Space is Call of Cthulhu further along the process of mankind becoming like unto the Great Old Ones.

I'd put a smiley, but I'm honestly not sure if that's a joke or not.
Not a joke. Rather a fascinating thought (or a disturbing one). Geez, sometimes GURPS just sounds too good. :\

BTW: I think it's a road, were already on... I think compared to a pre-neolithic revolution human, we're like an Old One, commanding the elements around us, reshaping the landscape, having intricate cultural phenomena (internet, nobility - I'm not sure how comprehensible this would be for a "basic human").
 

Lord Tirian said:
Not a joke. Rather a fascinating thought (or a disturbing one). Geez, sometimes GURPS just sounds too good. :\

It should probably be pointed out that there are groups within the setting that experiment with artificial hiveminds...
 


mhacdebhandia said:
And to think, there are people who say Christopher Shy's creepy art doesn't suit the setting.

I think some people mostly complained about the inaccuracies of his technical designs - "Spacecraft of the Solar System" was particularly noteworthy of this.
 

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