Trog Stench DC?

[Ogrork the Mighty]

The Fort save DC for a Troglodyte's stench is DC 13. It is Con-based and the Trog has a +2 Con modifier. Is the save DC correct or should it be DC 12?

I always thought the base save was 10 plus the modifier. For trogs, it looks like the base DC is 11 plus modifier.

Is this correct?

 

[Connorsrpg]

Saves vs monster abilities are actually 10 + 1/2 creature's HD + relevant ability modifier.

So a troglodytes DC of 13 is correct if it has 2-3 HD. Have not got MM with me, but I believe they are 2HD. In this case the DC 13 would be correct.

Connors

 

[Chorn]

Trogs have two racial hit dice. Using the formula above, that would be d20+1(Hit Dice)+2(Con bonus) for a DC 13 Fortitude save to resist their Stench ability.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

Thanks. That makes sense.

Just to be clear, total HD is used and not just racial HD, correct? The MM refers to HD. So a 2-HD creature with 5 class levels would be calculating the special attack DC based off 7-HD right?

 

[Sammael]

Nope, only racial HD counts.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Thanks. That makes sense.

Just to be clear, total HD is used and not just racial HD, correct? The MM refers to HD. So a 2-HD creature with 5 class levels would be calculating the special attack DC based off 7-HD right?

No. Just racial hit dice.

The MM refers to Racial Hit Dice in the overview of the Stat Block:

Special Attacks and Special Qualities
Many creatures have unusual abilities. A monster entry breaks these abilities into special attacks and special qualities. The latter category includes defenses, vulnerabilities, and other special abilities that are not modes of attack. A special ability is either extraordinary (Ex), spell-like (Sp), or supernatural (Su). Additional information (when needed) is provided in the creature’s descriptive text.

When a special ability allows a saving throw, the kind of save and the save DC is noted in the descriptive text. Most saving throws against special abilities have DCs calculated as follows: 10 + 1/2 the attacker’s racial Hit Dice + the relevant ability modifier. The save DC is given in the creature’s description along with the ability on which the DC is based.

If you look at sample NPCs - for example, in Savage Species - you'll see that class hit dice don't change these DCs.

-Hyp.

 

[Connorsrpg]

OOPS I actually made a mistake: d20 + blah...

Not d20. Just 10. Sorry. Will edit post.

Connors

 

[Someone]

Suppose a level 18 human wizard, who carries no items, shapechanges into Trog form. What would be the save DC against the stench, 12 or 13?

 

[Darkness]

I believe 10+ConMod, assuming the wizard has no racial HD.

 

[Someone]

That´s what I thought, too.