(Trying Not To Start A Rant) The Other Side of the Christian/DnD Thing

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Wormwood said:
I get less flak from fellow Christians for being a gamer than I do from gamers for being a Christian.

ditto.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

and back in the 80's i got a little pressure for playing the "Devil's Game" from adults. not my parents...but friends' parents.

today i get more flak from gamers for being Christian than i ever did back in the 80's for playing D&D.

heck, back in the 70's,80's, and 90's we (all of us in the groups i played/refereed) were all Christian. i only met non-Christian gamers when i started playing again in 2000.
 

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It's weird that the US is the place where it's really the most "controversial". Prolly 'cause it's the place where it's also the most popular. Heck, back in Montreal, I, for a short period of time, played in a Sabbat Live-Action game (can you get more weird and evil then that with any RPGs?) in the basement of a church, that had the priest's full knowledge and approval.
 

The first game of D&D I ever ran was in the basement of the Unitarian church. One of the players was a Catholic priest.

I suspect that a lot of the knee jerk anti-RPG sentiment is that for a lot of people the only information they have on D&D come from Jack Chick and the 700 Club.To [mis]quote Mongoose Publishing 'No one can truly believe that RPGs are evil once the realize just how lame they really are!' :p Or in other words what we are really playing is Advanced Let's Pretend. (And in that sense I have been roleplaying since the early '60s.) Familiarity breeding contempt is not always a bad thing.

I have been at a live action game that was being held at the same time as a Christian convention. All the Christians were very polite about it, I wish that I could say the same for all of the gamers, who seemed to think it was a great chance to 'freak the mundanes'... (And not all the gamers, just three that really stick in my mind out of better than fifty players. Both sides are much more tolerant that the vocal minority might indicate.)

I bumped into the priest a couple of years ago, he no longer plays but remembered my game in better detail than I did. (He also recognized me after over twenty years.)

The Auld Grump
 
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Andrew D. Gable said:
Yup, a thread about prejudice. And how I didn't encounter it when I could have sworn I would...

Well, the other day, the hardcore Christian guy at work overheard me talking to one of my gaming buddies. Later that day, he started asking me about DnD... I started the preparations for having a coronary. I know what's coming...

But no, I actually didn't get chewed out. I was so relieved. And it made me feel better to realize that we're not gonna get judged all the time.

Anyway, just wanted to share.

One of the guys in our group is pretty religious. He's also a darn good D&D player. On the other hand, I've also been accosted by people telling me I'm going to burn,baby,burn at the bookstore.

I don't really think it's all religious people who are anti-D&D. I think the people who are anti D&D would be anti anything, they just like having something to complain about. But I think it's just their personality type, not their religious beliefs.
 

Berandor said:
To get it away from religion and on to gamer prejudices, our whole group was stunned when one day the chinese food delivery guy brought us our food, looked at our table, and his face lit up as he recognized the game.
Chinese people play RPGs too, it seems.


No.


That guy, who happens to be Chinese, plays RPGs.
 

Wormwood said:
I get less flak from fellow Christians for being a gamer than I do from gamers for being a Christian.
Agreed. Sometimes, gamers don't realize how closed of a group they are on some things.

I'm very religious and very active in a conservative (Bible is inspired word, not a general guide) Lutheran church. So far, I've not found anything incompatible between my faith and my hobby. In fact, I finally got my dad to stop giving me a hard time when I told him that D&D was probably the strongest catalyst to my truly exploring/accepting Christianity (mainly because I did some study on Medieval history, which led to studying the Roman church and its origins).

As Christ said (roughly), when accused of being the devil because he could exorcise demons: A house divided against itself cannot stand. The devil's tools cannot lead someone to God. Q.E.D.
 

Belegbeth said:
Seriously, Mackie showed all this "god-belief" stuff is unjustified. Seriously *sigh* Nobody listens. "Kids these days..."
;)
Could you tone it down just a hair, please? This discussion has been generally respectful so far.

I'm reading your posts as the atheistic equivalent of the Christian saying, "You must all repent!" If that's not how you're intending to come off, then it might be appropriate to elaborate.
 

Mac Callum said:
However, EN Worlders don't get many opportunities to show how respectful and mature they are do they? The respectful and mature posters are rarely given the chance to show others how to post "the right way."

...People fear and are intolerant of what they don't understand. People learn to understand by exposure and talking with those who do. Without speaking and exposure; without polite and mature conversation, understanding and tolerance will find no sustenance. The only result of that is the continuance of fear.

...If we're surprised, it's only because you were never allowed to admit it. We posted in ignorance because that was the policy.


The policy against discussion of real-world politics and religion, as well as the prohibitions against certain profanities, has an important effect: To eliminate those highly contentious subjects so as to prevent them from being barriers to communication. The goal of the forums is the discussion of hobbies, and D&D in particular. Too many forums on the internet devolve into inflammatory name-calling starting with these simple issues, and drown out the discussion of what we love to play and do.

Also, to be clear, the policy is against discussion of the subjects of real-world Religion and Politics, not against all mention of such. I could mention I am a Christian, but I'm not discussing my beliefs for or against, nor am I responding to same.

I think ENWorlders have LOTS of opportunities to show their respectfulness and maturity outside of those subjects, even if only in the way we interact with one another jsut talking about our hobby. To me, it shouldn't matter if the person posting their opinion on the latest game is Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan, or Taoist -- it can sometimes color one's perceptions of another person you don't know if you automatically label them as such. Once you come to know a poster through regular interaction (the longer you're here, as you may know, you come to recognize the same posters frequently), you get to know them -- and if they want you to know they are Pagan/Latter-Day Saints/Seventh-Day Adventist/Sunni Muslim, they will let you know it. But it colors your perceptions in a different way - it adds to the background of the person you know, instead of everything you know about them being put under a label. First impressions count for a LOT - it's why the "Christian Hates D&D" stereotype exists, after all, as well as the "D&D are all antisocial mouth-breathers", as well.

We want everybody's opinion to be valued here -- and these rules have the effect of promoting that, in my opinion.
 

Wormwood said:
I get less flak from fellow Christians for being a gamer than I do from gamers for being a Christian.

That's interesting...

I'm a Christian, attend church regularly, and am quite involved at my church. And I have never been grief beyond, "You play D&D? Geek." I think the whole "Jack Chick" thing has been blown out of proportion. I don't believe that very many Christians believe that D&D is really that way.

The Jack Chick article simply takes the game to the absolute extreme. And of course that makes it look bad...and I'm sure that the BoVD doesn't help matters...(couldn't they have given it a less "horrifying" title?)

Anyway, I don't want to be on a soapbox.

I guess I'm glad that the expected predjudice didn't take place, because that is definitely a good thing.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
 

A very good discussion and handled well. Kudos to all of us!

I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic school through 12th grade. This was during the 80s, when the bad hype about DND was at its peak. I remember watching 60 minutes, or some such news show, on the boy who killed himself and they tried to link it to DND.

In school, I had religion class and I think it was my sophomore year where the sister (not a nun) played a tape which had two people talking about the "proper way to be Catholic (Christian)". This included a talk by a satanist who played DND and linked satanism to DND. *sigh* I felt every eye in the room on me. I probably could've reached into my book bag and pulled out the DMG that the satanist had. That woulda probably freaked out the sister. I didn't. I was an outcast in school, and they probably use this as a reason, but I was one long before this. I was more amused by the video because once I hear one bias or half truth, it makes me question everything else I heard from that source.

I had several friends who played a few times but at least one wasn't allowed to because his parents watched the 700 club. We respected that. My parents never saw the 700 club, to the best of my knowledge, but firmly supported me. Whatever I did, they supported. As I have said before, my mom would come home with piles of RPG stuff she found at a garage sale for $3 and bought it for me. Wow! That made the others guys completely jealous and was so cool!

I have many Christian friends who play. I do make sure that anything I am going to use in game won't make anyone uncomfortable and usually it has been a non issue. (Years ago, I asked if I could base a campaign on a Tarot deck but it made one friend uncomfortable so I didn't do it.)

Today, religion has not come up and has not been an issue for a while. A boss I had at a previous job was very religious and I think he wondered about it and me, but it was more complicated than that. However, it was a non issue because he didn't play and I was probably the only person he knew who did.

I think it is our own tolerance that has turned people around. That and I know gaming was never as bad as the media presented it. We, all of us as gamers, allowed people to watch the game and see how "geeky" it could be. We invited others to have fun with us playing a game. And it is this tolerance, and realizing that it IS a game, that I think has turned people around. And to this, I say yea us! Good job to us!

Have a good one!

edg
 

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