Turning a Touch Spell into a Cone!

[strongbow]

By using Reach Spell to turn a touch spell into a ray, and then using Ray Coning (Dragon Annual Number 5, +2 spell slots, Allows reflex save, and turns a ray into a 30 ft cone), a caster can turn a touch spell into a cone.

Beyond the simple utility of it all (Cone of 3.5 Identify, Pile that treasure up!), I have some questions.

Would the damage from a Cone of Vampiric Touch stack, just as it would from a Reach-Chained Vampiric Touch? With the use of insects and other 1 HP creatures, a cone of stacking HP is a bit ridiculous.

Furthermore, How do you adjudicate things like a Touch-Ray-Cone of Invisibility Sphere? Who/What is the center? Are my players cheese monkeys for even trying this? These are the questions.

Comments and answers welcome, but no flames please

Edited for dyslexia

 

[Destil]

This depens entirely on how you rule the 'meta-magic' dosn't stack, each feat alters the base spell rule.

On one hand it's stupid. It means that e when you cast an extended silent fireball you still need to use verbal components if you send it beyond the standard range

On the other hand it's possibly intended to disallow this sort of thing.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Cone of Harm.

Nasty.

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

3.5 Harm?

 

[green slime]

With the use of incests and other ...

I hope you mean insects... incest is another animal entirely!

 

[green slime]

Cone of Harm, if allowed would be an epic level spell (6+2+2 = 10) and allow a reflex save to completely avoid its effect, as well as the standard Fort save.

 

[green slime]

Given that Chain Spell from T&B is +3 spell levels, and that it only passes on ½ the damage to the secondary targets, within 30 ft, Ray Conning seems overpowered at +2 spell levels.

Which is probably why we never saw it reprinted in any of the splat books.

No, I wouldn't let the Coned Reach Vampiric Touch 7th level spell out-cure the 8th level Chained Reach Vampiric Touch spell.

On one hand the cone has a reflex save for no damage. The chained variant does not, but you still need to make a ranged touch attack.

As to how much hp are channelled back into the caster, I think I'd need to think over that one a while.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Cone of Harm, if allowed would be an epic level spell (6+2+2 = 10) and allow a reflex save to completely avoid its effect, as well as the standard Fort save.

Standard, feh. I play 3E

-Hyp.

 

[Malin Genie]

You cannot chain an Effect: Ray spell.

When will people learn?

 

[sithramir]

In my campaign I can chain a ray. I guess its a "I'm dm and the player won't even realize i'm breaking the rules" rule.

But you can't stack meta magic in 3.5 can you? SO this wouldn't work unless in 3.0 ?