Two 20s, no 1s - how often do you use altered dice?

[Umbran]

Never used a weighted or otherwise altered die in my life, thanks. Nor do I otherwise cheat as a player. Your belief (or lack thereof) in that fact is irrelevant

 

[tburdett]

But my question is how often do you do it? Once a game for the "important" kill shots, or all the way through?

I do have a few unusual six sided dice (from the game Class Struggle, I believe) that are 1,1,2,2,3,3, but I wouldn't use them surreptitiously. That would be cheating.

 

[Henry]

Remember, people act differently on the net than they do in real life. While you might think you know someone through their posts, its really is but the smallest glimpse into how they really are. I suprised more then a few people at Gen Con last year with how I actually am.

...On a positive note, my knife wound healed quite nicely. I promise Croth, I'll never mix Soda in your Scotch again!

 

[Driddle]

I am pretty much in agreement that if we caught someone using loaded dice, they would not be invited back.

But you're not really in agreement with the several comments posted in this thread. The point being that you said the bad guy would not be invited back. That's not quite the same as ejecting his tuckus on the spot, as has been claimed often today.

I must apologize for giving so many people here the benefit of the doubt and alleging they were "nice" enough to give someone a second chance. I didn't realize that would offend anyone. :\ I really, really thought most of the truly anti-cheating contingent would take the path stated by L.Tremaine (above) and find some tactful, socially polite way to get rid of the disruptive element. Didn't even occur to me that there were so many cold-hearted bastiches here. And I am sincerely sorry for that. Please forgive me.

 

[aurance]

But you're not really in agreement with the several comments posted in this thread. The point being that you said the bad guy would not be invited back. That's not quite the same as ejecting his tuckus on the spot, as has been claimed often today.

I must apologize for giving so many people here the benefit of the doubt and alleging they were "nice" enough to give someone a second chance. I didn't realize that would offend anyone. :\ I really, really thought most of the truly anti-cheating contingent would take the path stated by L.Tremaine (above) and find some tactful, socially polite way to get rid of the disruptive element. Didn't even occur to me that there were so many cold-hearted bastiches here. And I am sincerely sorry for that. Please forgive me.

Boy you really pick and choose your virtues. Removing cheaters from the game is somehow worse than cheating itself? Betterment of one's own plight at the expense of others in your gaming group? Fostering distrust among gamers and perhaps friends?

It's clear that you are really just looking for social validation of your own cheating of some kind. I don't think you'll find that here.

Or maybe you have already, as apparently we are all lying about not cheating. Liars and cheaters unite!

 

[Terwox]

I've never cheated once as a player, I think.

I fudge stuff as a DM.. usually about twice every three sessions, or so. Not very much. I like letting the dice fall where they do, and running with the result. But, I also like games where death isn't final, and is interesting besides, so, this is a bit different.

 

[Elrik_DarkFury]

I hate cheaters.But i would never kick a guy who plays with my group just like that.
Some people here try to tell that tolerance and giving second chances implies either guilt of having cheated or stupidness and lack of "right" virtues.
That is at least stupid.

You must think of yourselves as perfect and sinless persons to be able to judge so easily others faults.

Cheating is bad but lack of tolerance and at least a try to sort things out in a civilized and human way is much more worse for me.

Apart from beeing immature and selfish there are many other reasons why a person might cheat.
Haven't u ever think that a cheater might feel unhuppy for something(this might be a bad-rolled character,other out-of-game reasons or even @ssholes co-players who make his life difficult and miserable).After all, not everyone in this world has strong character and easyness with others and this often results in these kind of habits.

So instead of trying to be judges and excecutors try to see what is wrong.
If u try and sort things out,not only you wont loose a possible friend but u will help a person to get rid of bad habbit.(I don't need to say how important is to help a person with problems to better himself instead of condemning him)

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[am181d]

As a DM-sometimes-player, I've fudged a lot while DM'ing--heck, I tend to make up half my monsters' stats as I go along--and a small percentage of the time while playing.

Re: Fudging as a player... Mainly I do it (and this is fairly rare, maybe once or twice a year, I think) if it seems like a combat has gotten away from the DM and he's heading towards an accidental TPK. I'll fudge a couple rolls to keep my player up--or alive but unconscious--to stave off a domino effect. I don't mind my PC's getting killed (it happens enough anyway), but it shouldn't be because a DM miscalculated a CR.

Of course, I "grandmaster" the overall campaign that I play in, so I suppose it could be argued that I'm still DM'ing when I fudge these rolls. Of course I'll also lecture DM's outright about using drastically inappropriate CR's and have even "overruled" DM's on a few occasions. ("No, you can't set the DC for thatmagical trap at 2010.")

My rule of thumb is that you should only deviate from the rules if it gives an advantage to the players or otherwise makes the game more fun for them.

All of which is to say that I'm a control freak with the group I play with and shouldn't be allowed near civilized gamers.

 

[Jim Hague]

I hate cheaters.But i would never kick a guy who plays with my group just like that.
Some people here try to tell that tolerance and giving second chances implies either guilt of having cheated or stupidness and lack of "right" virtues.
That is at least stupid.

You must think of yourselves as perfect and sinless persons to be able to judge so easily others faults.

Cheating is bad but lack of tolerance and at least a try to sort things out in a civilized and human way is much more worse for me.

Apart from beeing immature and selfish there are many other reasons why a person might cheat.
Haven't u ever think that a cheater might feel unhuppy for something(this might be a bad-rolled character,other out-of-game reasons or even @ssholes co-players who make his life difficult and miserable).After all, not everyone in this world has strong character and easyness with others and this often results in these kind of habits.

So instead of trying to be judges and excecutors try to see what is wrong.
If u try and sort things out,not only you wont loose a possible friend but u will help a person to get rid of bad habbit.(I don't need to say how important is to help a person with problems to better himself instead of condemning him)

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The Wizard

Guess what? As the GM/DM, being the arbiter of what is appropriate conduct is my job. Cheating in a game that has no 'winner' is not only asinine, but utterly and completely disrespectful of both the GM/DM and the other players. Such behavior deserves nothing other than removal from the game.

I am not perfect, being human. But for the hard work that players and I put into a given session and a campaign, we damn well will get the respect deserved for doing our best to make a game fun for everyone.

You say that I and others who will not tolerate cheating shows some sort of lack of compassion. Get off your high horse and realize that kicking someone out of the table and/or the game is never an easy decision. But when someone willfully disrespects the game and players, when they refuse to trust the GM/DM, resorting to 'fudging'...'right' reasons or no, they'd best walk away from the table.

 

[Elrik_DarkFury]

I have kicked a person some time ago,but after i sincerely tried to better things up and failed.
I hightly value dnd and it is more than a simple hobby for me.That has led me many times into extremes against people who "messed" my game.

The problem i had and i couldn't bare not talking about, is the determination of some people here to act in a way too blatand and wrong for me.

I would "kick" someone out of the game only after everything else had failed and only then.
I always think of cheating as an addiction the cheater has to get rid of.

We don't kill or shoot drug-addicted persons,is that right?
In reverse we have to try to help in any way we can.

Try work things out before you take drastic actions.Thats what i suggest.
Did u read a previus post about a cheater who agreed to eat his dice in order to make up for his fault and not be kicked out of the game?
This suggests:
a)that not every cheater deserves to get kicked
and
b)that the right punishment for cheaters is to make them eat their dices .


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The Wizard