UA: New Race Options, Eladrin and Gith

The Eladrin ability score adjustment needs to be: +2 Charisma, +1 any other.

Charisma and all of its connotations [charm, innate magic, bardic song, etcetera] is what best represents the Fey Elf concept.

Intelligence is an accident of D&D only having Wizard class in the beginning, but it has merit in folklore too.

Dexterity is irrelevant.

Maybe handsized sprites connote Dexterity, but humansized spirits of magic, less so.



Edit.

Elves can work better this way:

Wood Elf: +2 Dexterity
High Elf: +2 Intelligence
Eladrin Elf: +2 Charisma

That is what the Elf feels like.



Edit.

High Elf
+2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence (!)
Trance
Investigation skill proficiency
Languages: Elven, Sylvan, and Common
Cantrip
Elven Armor (permanent Mage Armor, appears as supple chain armor or as invisible force)
High Elf Weapon Training (longsword proficiency, treat as finesse weapon and spell focus)
(Darkvision too?)



Edit.

Eladrin are a group of elves that are native to the Fey Plane. They feel like a separate race of Elf with their own four subraces. The concept of the Eladrin evolves across the editions, and their association with the four seasons seems to enjoy traction. They consolidate well into four kinds of Eladrin, each one corresponding to a season.

Eladrin Elf
• Spring: +2 Charisma, +1 Dexterity (Ghael, Coure)
• Summer: +2 Charisma, +1 Strength (Firre, Bralani)
• Autumn: +2 Charisma, +1 Intelligence (Tulani)
• Winter: +2 Charisma, +1 Wisdom (Noviere, Shiere)

 

[Mistwell]

Eladrin Elf: +2 Charisma
• Spring Court: +1 Dexterity
• Summer Court: +1 Strength
• Autumn Court: +1 Intelligence
• Winter Court: +1 Wisdom

The Drow Elf is already +2 Dexterity +1 Charisma. It would be annoying if the Eladrin Elf is the same.

The Eladrin Elf that works best is +2 Charisma. A real enchanter, a real Bard, an archetypal mage.

Now, unless I am mistaken, I slightly get the impression you want the Eladrin to have +2 charisma?

Are you under the impression that, if you keep repeating this over and over again in this thread, it will somehow make it happen? That it's like some sort of poll where you can vote again and again by just saying the same thing over and over again using slightly different words or something?

Dude, Yaarel, ANYONE in this thread is aware you want them to have +2 charisma. You really don't need to say it anymore. We get it. We allllll get it. You want them to have a +2 charisma. Message communicated and received. Roger that, Yaarel wants them to have +2 charisma. Understood!

And I don't even disagree. I think that would be fine. I am just not sure why you keep saying it?

[For those who missed it...which must be someone just reading the thread for the first time at this point...this is literally Yaarel's 5th and then 6th post out of 100 total posts in the thread at that point where he's just saying, using slightly different words, that he wants the Eladrin to have a +2 charisma ]

 

[Tony Vargas]

Are you under the impression that, if you keep repeating this over and over again ... it will somehow make it happen?

It's not like that hope is without precedent.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Tony's right! And he should know... it's due to his tireless advocation of Warlords that 5E has that class... uh... um... I mean... it has... errrrrrrr....

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[Yaarel]

It would be cool to see an effective nonmagical healer in 5e, with carefully understood flavor, in the form of a Warlord.

It can specialize in the ability to avoid that lethal strike that happens at the moment of reaching 0 hit points.

 

[Mistwell]

It would be cool to see an effective nonmagical healer in 5e, with carefully understood flavor, in the form of a Warlord.

It can specialize in the ability to avoid that lethal strike that happens at the moment of reaching 0 hit points.

Maybe they can have an inherent +2 to charisma, unless they are Eladrin?

[I'd like a Warlord too by the way]

 

[Yaarel]

True about Charisma. It makes sense for authoritative coaching to help teammates stay alert and skillful during combat, to inspire morale, confidence, and perseverance, and even to encourage a placebo effect. Charisma can be an important ability for certain Warlord builds.

 

[Argyle King]

Side note: 3rd Edition kinda had a Warlord too. It was the Marshal class.

 

[The-Magic-Sword]

Not to put too fine a point on it, the subrace would be overloaded if it was actually +2 Charisma- it is quite strong as it stands, with a free non-counterspellable teleport and a selection of good cantrips. I'd almost be tempted to make sure it only gets +1 of Charisma instead of a choice, if only to reduce it's versatility.

The Dwarf subrace that gives +2/+2 can afford to do so because the strength builds that want it have no use for the armor feature that it offers since they usually get it from their class (or have some relevant AC feature)- for a significant portion of characters the extra point is it's only subrace feature with a precious few builds able to take full advantage of it.

+2 Charisma on the Eladrin would be taking an already powerful subrace and jacking it through the roof, it'd be very hard to justify (from a mechanical perspective) Swashbucklers, bards, etc. as anything else- and the game is currently pretty good about not doing that.

 

[maceochaid]

The discussion of the High Elf NOT being an archetypal wizard because it gets only a +1 to Int seems silly. With the standard array, or the point buy you are still generally looking at a 16/16 Int and Dex, which means you are as capable as the most capable human + you have a little extra dodge and AC in your step. (I also like that many of the NPC's have odd numbered stats so High Elf Mage NPC's are slightly more potent). The one thing I CAN'T see as archetypal is the Elven longswordsman. I try and try to make a longsword wielding High Elf, and say "I don't care about optimization I just want it for story reasons" but I still can't get over the trade off and arm my High Elf warriors with rapiers. Not to get too far off track, but if Fighter/Mage was the idea behind the race "Elves who are proficient in Longswords can use their dexterity score for attacks and damage with longswords" (Notice this is not giving them finesse) is a much better move, and wish they had done that. Alas I don't think they will ever go back to redo that.

 

[Tony Vargas]

but if Fighter/Mage was the idea behind the race "Elves who are proficient in Longswords can use their dexterity score for attacks and damage with longswords" (Notice this is not giving them finesse) is a much better move

They could even have just gone with a note: "Elves make longswords of such surpassing elegance that they count as rapiers."