Ultramodern Firearms d20 Web Preview

[Desdichado]

GE Minigun?

Why would anyone want a weapon that in the D20 Modern system would only target a 10' x 10' area, forcing a average (DC 15) REFLEX save to avoid any damage. Even if they failed the save they would only take 2d10 damage (or 2d8 depending on the caliber). Plus you would be out of ammo in about 3 rounds, if not before if you had multiple attacks.

IMO, the GE minigun automatically allows you to use the burst type fire because of the incredible rate of fire. So, you'd get 4d10 damage from the thing, without the feat. At least that's how I'd convert it.

 

[Kesh]

IMO, the GE minigun automatically allows you to use the burst type fire because of the incredible rate of fire. So, you'd get 4d10 damage from the thing, without the feat. At least that's how I'd convert it.

Provided you can actually hit anything, given the recoil.

 

[Leopold]

Provided you can actually hit anything, given the recoil.

I like the Deeds not words system. You basically throw it on full auto, roll to hit all the targets in one area (10') spread and roll 1d6 and that's how many bullets hit that target in the targets in that area. Sure you waste a ton of ammo but you get all the targets in that area dead....


I agree with dave, if this is an update to the book what else has been left unupdated from the old rules there were broken? Will errata be available on the day of the release?

 

[Nikchick]

>>I agree with dave, if this is an update to the book what else has been left unupdated from the old rules there were broken? Will errata be available on the day of the release?<<

Ok, so in a preview of a 160-page book someone came across a "problem" with one weapon in the book that in the previous ten years no one had ever noticed or complained about . Obviously, the discrepancy from reality did not significantly impact the usefulness of the book as a roleplaying game supplement nor does it seem to have detracted from peoples' enjoyment over the history of its existence.

Yes, you've uncovered a factual error in the book, but let's not blow it out of proportion. I do not appreciate the insinuation that the entire book is likely "broken" or that it was shoddily put together because someone spotted an error in the preview. I think Green Ronin has a better track record than that and we've earned just a tiny bit more respect than that.

We're happy to issue errata when we discover a problem in any of our books.

Nicole

 

[Winterthorn]

Hi... well, there are always fussy ppl out there--and the degree of their nitpicking escalates in proportion to their enthusiasm with the topic or issue at hand...

My only concern is that the basic info on the guns and equipment are well translated into playable d20 terms! The differences between items should be interesting--and by that not necessarily only in damage but in ther aspects covered by say feats and skills, frex: a RL weapon modification that translates to a +2 circumstance bonus or awards a virtual feat when used by a skilled user... Stuff like that matters to me. Whether the technical "flavour" is 100% accurate or not is less important to me. The difference between two scopes should have playable meaning for me--anything beyond that, though interesting, is not as relevant. It's all a matter of degree/taste I suppose...

I hope nitpickers will remember the a product like this has to appeal to d20 Modern players from many walks of life--this book is not meant to be a RL training manual! LOL...

Nikchick: I am a fan of GR--loved the BotR!--and I believe you folks are doing your best to put out a respectable product... May I suggest a bibliography of source info be included? That might deflect some criticisms if ppl see where the info was coming from... I know from doing scientific research not all sources are as reliable as we like--but we have to work with what we find as best as we can...

Anyways, I remain quite interested in this "supplement"--even though I am not a gun hobbyist. The game referee within me is always on the lookout for cool playable material for my games!

-W.

 

[dafrca]

.....Yes, you've uncovered a factual error in the book, but let's not blow it out of proportion. Nicole

Nicole,

I would not allow Dave McAlister or his opinion to effect you to the degree you seem to have. Keep his opinion in proportion to those who have said the preview (error and all) has finalized our choice to buy the book.

I passed the preview on to three members of my group who did not have access to the web. There are now four (counting mine) pre-orders in at the local store.

Your company and this book will servive an oops in the book and we will still buy it dispite the error as well!


dafrca

 

[Unseelie]

I never bought the original so can't comment on any errors in it. But what I will say is I find it rather amusing (for wont of a better word) that you've used the same descriptive text as a supplement that's almost TEN years old!

I mean not updating your research on a weapon that is the standard issue rifle for a country's armed forces is a bit of an over-sight - to put it bluntly.

Well, lets be fair... main battle rifles don't tend to change all that much over time. Look at the M-16. We're up to what, the A3? That's in getting close to 30 years of service.

I have the original Ultramodern Firearms book... sits right next to my copies of Edge of the Sword and The Armory, both by Kevin Dockery, and Guns, Guns, Guns. Guess which one comes off the shelf most often? My biggest regret about the original UMF is that the nightvision gear is all seriously out of date.

Oh, Chris or Nicole, any chance of publishing Millenium's End (well, maybe a new name is necessary) as a d20 product? If not, maybe you could at least do the vehicles book from ME (title escapes me as I've never gotten my hands on one).

 

[Unseelie]

GE Minigun?

Why would anyone want a weapon that in the D20 Modern system would only target a 10' x 10' area, forcing a average (DC 15) REFLEX save to avoid any damage. Even if they failed the save they would only take 2d10 damage (or 2d8 depending on the caliber). Plus you would be out of ammo in about 3 rounds, if not before if you had multiple attacks.

Nah, make it a cone like Cone of Cold from the PBH, up the damage (or allow burst fire) and reflex save for half.

 

[Pramas]

Oh, Chris or Nicole, any chance of publishing Millenium's End (well, maybe a new name is necessary) as a d20 product? If not, maybe you could at least do the vehicles book from ME (title escapes me as I've never gotten my hands on one).

We've been talking to Charles about some additional projects. A new ME (or maybe now Millenium's Dawn. ) is a possibility. Needless to say, I'll be tracking sales of d20 Modern and UMF closely. Traditionally, stuff like d20 Modern doesn't do all that well for TSR/WotC, but with all the third party support maybe it'll buck the trend.

 

[Leopold]

>>I agree with dave, if this is an update to the book what else has been left unupdated from the old rules there were broken? Will errata be available on the day of the release?<<

Ok, so in a preview of a 160-page book someone came across a "problem" with one weapon in the book that in the previous ten years no one had ever noticed or complained about . Obviously, the discrepancy from reality did not significantly impact the usefulness of the book as a roleplaying game supplement nor does it seem to have detracted from peoples' enjoyment over the history of its existence.

Yes, you've uncovered a factual error in the book, but let's not blow it out of proportion. I do not appreciate the insinuation that the entire book is likely "broken" or that it was shoddily put together because someone spotted an error in the preview. I think Green Ronin has a better track record than that and we've earned just a tiny bit more respect than that.

We're happy to issue errata when we discover a problem in any of our books.

Nicole

not blowing it sky high here Nicole, just making sure I get the best quality product that is possible set to the highest standards that GR has and that I have come to expect from them. All the assurances that it will be looked over and haven't gone unnoticed.

I plan on looking it over when I see it at the LGS and seeing if it's worth picking up. I won't judge a book on just one small snippit as that's not fair to a product. If there's more 'broken' than not then there's a problem. If not, then hell, it's a good book, buy it and use it. If all goes well count one more copy sold, if not i'll be sure to post my reasons why and see if others agree or disagree.