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Isn't any +7 enhancement weapon (total 11+) an artifact and thus not subject to the anti-magic field? I've seen artifacts weaker than +7.
 

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Isn't any +7 enhancement weapon (total 11+) an artifact and thus not subject to the anti-magic field? I've seen artifacts weaker than +7.

No. With the ELH rules, you can create weapon with a +10 enhancement bonus and +30 bonus wrth of special abilities (some of which may be worth +6 themselves). That weapon would not be an artifact (but it would be hideously expensive).
 

James McMurray said:


No. With the ELH rules, you can create weapon with a +10 enhancement bonus and +30 bonus wrth of special abilities (some of which may be worth +6 themselves). That weapon would not be an artifact (but it would be hideously expensive).

Actually, by the ELH, there is NO upper limit to how powerful a weapon can be. A high level wizard could make a Vorpal Longsword +50 if he had the resources and XP. (That would be 30,250,000 gp and 615,000 XP, in case you're wondering.)

The difference between an Epic item and an Artifcat is very simple. Artifacts are made by deities, Epic items aren't. That's the ONLY difference.
 

What you describe is a problem with a LOT of the creatures in the ELH. So many things in there are basically the "Hideously powerful but completely vanilla monster resistant to every interesting character ability/spell because of DR/antimagic field." it's scary. I've hoped for something a little more creative.

I think in this case, CR is pretty much meaningless... If you're at a point where you're talking about opening gates or portals to a volcano, or the center of the sun, or something, to get enough of a blast to kill a critter, it doesn't particularly matter if the party is 23rd or 43rd level... It's either going to work or it isn't, and the melees can pretty much go take a long walk off a short cliff regardless of level.
 

Anubis said:
The difference between an Epic item and an Artifcat is very simple. Artifacts are made by deities, Epic items aren't. That's the ONLY difference.

Not according to pages 236 and 242 of the DMG.


Edit: The ELH never says that artifacts are made only by deities, either... it hints that some artifacts were made by the gods, but never even makes that much explicit!
 
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What you describe is a problem with a LOT of the creatures in the ELH. So many things in there are basically the "Hideously powerful but completely vanilla monster resistant to every interesting character ability/spell because of DR/antimagic field." it's scary. I've hoped for something a little more creative.

I'm a bit confused by this statement. AFAIK, the collosi are the only ones with DR and anti-magic fields. Sure, every epic monster has epic defenses, but they certainly aren't unimaginative.

Take for instance the Worm that Walks, the Atropal, and the Hunefer. These all have cool backstories for them. In fact, most of the creatures have cool backstories.

In fact, apart from the devestation vermin and the "even more dire" animals, I don't see a single "vanilla" monster in the bunch.
 


CRGreathouse said:


Not according to pages 236 and 242 of the DMG.


Edit: The ELH never says that artifacts are made only by deities, either... it hints that some artifacts were made by the gods, but never even makes that much explicit!

What I said isn't explicitly stated word-for-wrord in the rules, but the wording of the rules does imply what I said to be true.

Plus, you're looking in the wrong book. What I'm talking about is from the ELH and Deities & Demigods.

Basically, deities can "Craft Artifact" which allows them to bypass all DMG limits.

Epic charatcer can "Craft Epic Items" which allows them to bypass the DMG limits.

Epic characters can't create Artifacts under any circumstance, because the ability is only available to deities. Deities could make Epic Items, but not if they can create Artifacts instead, especially since it is cheaper for a deity to make an Artifact of equal power to an Epic Item, because they don't have the "times ten" rule.

Thus, taking the above information, Deities & Demigods states that Artifacts are only made by deities, and ELH refers to Artifact-level Epic Items that are created by mortals.

The DMG has no place in the discussion, really, because all the rules are in the ELH and Deities & Demigods.
 

A construct with the regeneration and fast healing special qualities still benefits from those qualities.

There was an errata for it, the solar, and the Tarrasque. All creatures should be beatable, somehow (except deitites, of course).
 

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