Hypersmurf
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Dracorat said:Actually in regards to saving throws, it has been stated directly in the FAQ:
Yes, but I disagree with it
-Hyp.
Dracorat said:Actually in regards to saving throws, it has been stated directly in the FAQ:
(harmless): The spell is usually beneficial, not harmful, but a targeted creature can attempt a saving throw if it desires.
Some spells restrict you to willing targets only. Declaring yourself as a willing target is something that can be done at any time (even if you’re flat-footed or it isn’t your turn). Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing,
Dracorat said:I am surprised honestly. You must be one of the most legalistic people on these boards.
Hypersmurf said:Regarding fireball in particular, and Reflex saves in general, I hold that an unconscious creature cannot make them; an unconscious creature is helpless, with an effective Dex of 0, and is therefore considered paralyzed, and cannot move.
boolean said:So unattended magical items automatically fail Reflex saves at your table?
shilsen said:[Orc dating 101]The unconscious are always willing[/Orc dating 101]
Vrecknidj said:I seem to recall a 1e description of someone chained to a rock still getting a save, despite the utter improbability of there baing any reason for the save. And, if I recall, the argument given was that a successful save indicated that something happened to protect the character and that it was, in effect, the DM's job to explain what that something was (i.e. story-telling still matters).
So, in that sense, a sleeping person still gets a Reflex save against a fireball, even a person sleeping in a very tight space.
Dave
Kae'Yoss said:That stretches it too much for me. In my opinion, the DMs explanation should go like this: "You were chained to that rock and fireballed right in the face, no way in all the hells were you going to avoid that. Sorry, life's hard, but luckily for you that's not your problem any more."