Undead cleric - turns himself?
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Nifft
Penguin Herder
IMC, Gods (Good and Neutral powers) don't like Undead. So no undead critter could be a cleric of a Good or Neutral power.
That leaves Demon-Princes and Arch-Devils. They're Evil.
So, an Undead Cleric could "bolster" himself, but the Turn thing won't come up.
Undead Paladin? Nope. Blackguard perhaps... hmmmm.... (sound of Nifft statting out a BBEG for next session...)
-- N
That leaves Demon-Princes and Arch-Devils. They're Evil.
So, an Undead Cleric could "bolster" himself, but the Turn thing won't come up.
Undead Paladin? Nope. Blackguard perhaps... hmmmm.... (sound of Nifft statting out a BBEG for next session...)
-- N
Norfleet
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I don't think this makes any sense. A turned undead "attempts to flee from you by the best and fastest means available to them". You can't flee from yourself. Therefore, the turned undead will cower: "If they cannot flee, they will cower.". This, however, causes you to approach yourself, and "If you approach within 10 feet of the turned them, however, they overcome the turning and act normally." (All of this is PHB v3.5 p159). Alternatively, the range check causes a divide-by-zero error that locally destroys the space-time continuum, creating a black hole, because black holes are where God divided by zero.Scion said:
Yes. Undead are damaged by positive energy healing effects, and lay on hands is one of them. Thus, the paladin will damage himself if he attempts to use this ability on himself.
the Jester
Legend
Norfleet hit it on the head.
A good undead cleric or paladin- unlikely, but possible- is still powered by negative energy and harmed by positive energy. So an undead paladin's lay on hands ability becomes useful for healing others and battling undead, but doesn't help the paladin heal himself. He needs, ironically enough, an evil cleric to inflict some wounds on him.
A good undead cleric or paladin- unlikely, but possible- is still powered by negative energy and harmed by positive energy. So an undead paladin's lay on hands ability becomes useful for healing others and battling undead, but doesn't help the paladin heal himself. He needs, ironically enough, an evil cleric to inflict some wounds on him.
Luckily good clerics can cast inflict spells too 
As for the, 'it doesnt make sense to turn yourself because you cant flee from yourself', while a good arguement, assumes that the rules are always logical.. I think that we can agree that they are not..lol..Also, I would say that while cowering you cannot approach yourself nor run away. Wherever you go, there you are. You neither get 'closer' or 'farther' from yourself by any definition I can think of... Basically the cleric would turn, start cowering, and have to wait until the duration ran out.. somewhat like if you wind up charming yourself.
Turning reads like a burst effect, and since you are within the burst... It mainly matters for how many undead can be turned, and if you could destroy yourself (say through the sun domain).
Personally I wouldnt worry about it in my own campaign, but for the rules forumn on various boards it is necissary to stay closer to the rules as written
Plus I would like strange things to be fixed in later editions.....
As for the, 'it doesnt make sense to turn yourself because you cant flee from yourself', while a good arguement, assumes that the rules are always logical.. I think that we can agree that they are not..lol..Also, I would say that while cowering you cannot approach yourself nor run away. Wherever you go, there you are. You neither get 'closer' or 'farther' from yourself by any definition I can think of... Basically the cleric would turn, start cowering, and have to wait until the duration ran out.. somewhat like if you wind up charming yourself.
Turning reads like a burst effect, and since you are within the burst... It mainly matters for how many undead can be turned, and if you could destroy yourself (say through the sun domain).
Personally I wouldnt worry about it in my own campaign, but for the rules forumn on various boards it is necissary to stay closer to the rules as written
Plus I would like strange things to be fixed in later editions.....
the Jester
Legend
Gansk said:
Er... I believe a blackguard's lay on hands can be used as an inflict, right?
SRD: Lay on hands. Once per day, the blackguard can use this supernatural ability to cure himself or his fiendish servant of damage equal to his Charisma bonus x his level.
So unless I missed a line somewhere.... ::shrugs:: being able to inflict would make sense in a way though
So unless I missed a line somewhere.... ::shrugs:: being able to inflict would make sense in a way though
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