Update: Malhavoc PDFs no longer available at RPGnow (merged)

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Another Thing to Mull Over

I wonder how long it will be before a DRM-enabled pdf from Malhavoc will be cracked and available on a website or p2p network, if it hasn't already?

Given that many gamers are technically savvy, and in light of this thread, I wonder - maybe DRM will actually cause *more* pirating of pdfs than before.

Consider - before, Joe Gamer would buy a pdf and go on his merry way. Fred Gamer downloads it for free from a p2p network and goes on his merry way. Jack Gamer downloads for free, likes it and buys it.

Now - Joe Gamer buys a pdf, hates the DRM and cracks it for his own use. If he has a bone to pick, due to spending time and effort cracking DRM instead of spending that time using his pdf, he releases the cracked copy onto a p2p. Fred Gamer still downloads for free, same as before. Jack Gamer downloads for free but no longer has any incentive to buy.
 

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johnsemlak said:
I think that's a bit of harsh exaggeration. I don't like the new format (from what I know about it so far), but come on, they're not treating you like a criminal.

Yes they are. You have to authenticate yourself through a couple third parties to read a book which you have paid for and which resides on your PC. The default assumption is that you are a criminal who has this file illegally on your computer, and do not have permission to read it, until you prove otherwise.
 

BradfordFerguson said:
I'm not taking credit AT ALL for companies starting to sell PDFs online who hadn't previously (Mongoose), but shortly after my Interview with Chris Davis of RPG Objects, we saw Mongoose offer its first PDFs on RPGNow.com along with Bastion offering Oathbound: Domains of the Forge for PDF download.
Umm, Bastion has been offering pdfs on RPGNow for quite some time. Long before Mongoose and your 'interview' in fact. Oathbound was just the latest print product of Baston's to be offered in pdf format. Those who are familiar with RPGNow and Bastion will recall that Minions: Rebirth was the first product from print to go pdf for Bastion.
 

Psion said:
...you are even limited in how much you can copy to the clipboard in a given period, for those who might be using PDFs for their house rules or OGL projects.
This, to me, is the biggest limitation that would impact me, followed by making copies to go on my different systems (i.e., one at work, one in my home office, one on my gaming laptop). For Malhavoc (and a few others), I always have purchased pdfs over hardcopies. All this does is make hardcopies more usable than pdfs without increasing the value of hardcopies.

Also seems like a lot of trouble to go through considering that, as others have pointed out, it will only be a matter of time before someone hacks the protection out of the files and makes unregistered versions available on the various p2p programs (resulting in the same situation this is intended to resolve).

In short, Malhavoc (and any company that does the same thing) can essentially write me off as a customer. Oh, well. Newer, smaller companies are in need of good coin, most of them with cleaner OGC/PI designations. Time to broaden my horizons at tad more.
 

Tsyr said:
It's an extension of the phrase, "If you outlaw a thing, the only people doing a thing will be outlaws."

SNIP
Well said.



Hopefully some good answers to these issues will be offered. But I can't see it as likely.
 

DanMcS said:
Yes they are. You have to authenticate yourself through a couple third parties to read a book which you have paid for and which resides on your PC. The default assumption is that you are a criminal who has this file illegally on your computer, and do not have permission to read it, until you prove otherwise.
Gimme a break.

So a store with videocameras and other security is also treating all its customers like potential criminals?
 

WizarDru said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but could you clarify this point? I don't think I'm following you, here. How do copyrights, in general, foster innnovation? Are you saying that, by preventing blantant plagarism, copyright law forces artists to create less derivative works? As a side to that, do you feel there should be no professional artists, or are you just saying that the law was not intended to get involved in the process of income at all?

The US Constitution allows Congress to levy taxes and tariffs, and one of the reasons for doing so is...

"To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"

From http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

"WHAT IS COPYRIGHT?
Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship,” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:

To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;

To prepare derivative works based upon the work;

To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works;

To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and

In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission."

"How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See FL 102, Fair Use, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians."

"Somebody infringed my copyright. What can I do?
A party may seek to protect his or her copyrights against unauthorized use by filing a civil lawsuit in federal district court. If you believe that your copyright has been infringed, consult an attorney. In cases of willful infringement for profit, the U.S. Attorney may initiate a criminal investigation.

Could I be sued for using somebody else's work? How about quotes or samples?
If you use a copyrighted work without authorization, the owner may be entitled to bring an infringement action against you. There are circumstances under the fair use doctrine where a quote or a sample may be used without permission. However, in cases of doubt, the Copyright Office recommends that permission be obtained."

In the case of the bold (emphasis mine) text, it answers my assertion that copyright is a civil case, not a criminal case. That is what everyone on this thread and in general does not understand - despite what the RIAA and MPAA *want*, the majority of "piracy" and "theft" is a civil case due to the fact that most people do not profit off of downloading illegal music, pdfs, or whatever.
 

Gez said:
About the DRM thing, I think it may be the reason for the move. Sword&Sorcery's (and especially Malhavoc's) PDFs are the most pirated of the d20 industry.

(Of course, DRM is not the correct way to adress this problem, as it gives the incentive for people to get cracked versions that are easier to use, but that's a topic for another thread.)

Let me get this thing staright. You say that S&S and Malhavoc are the most pirated. I cannot see how this move could do anything for that! In fact, I suspect that they will alienate any casual buyer they might have had before. So, in order to force one pirate to buy their product (if he ever wants to buy it... not anybody with a PDF on his pirate list would spend a dime to buy it), they alienate other fans...
Sorry, but if that's the real reasoning behind this move, it really doesn't make any sense to me.
 

johnsemlak said:
Gimme a break.

So a store with videocameras and other security is also treating all its customers like potential criminals?
Bad analogy.

Video cameras have no negative impact on the utility of the merchandise.
 

3catcircus said:
T'wasn't intended as an insult - probably came across as such due to differences between the printed word and a spoken conversation.

Forget it. I just hope we don't ever end up in the same room discussing this subject... :)
 

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