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[UPDATED] Issues With Official D&D 5E Spell Cards?

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

Gale Force 9 is the licensed producer of the spell cards and sells them through its online store, Flames of War. I'm not 100% clear where Battlefront fits in there - all the company addresses mention it, so I assume it's a parent company or somesuch. Perhaps somebody in the comments can clarify!

His email exchange with Battlefront went as follows:

Battlefront Customer Service: Unfortunately there is nothing in place to replace the original card sets. This was an error caused by Wizard of the Coast sending the wrong files to be printed. Should you need to seek compensation may I suggest contacting their customer service department?

Trystero: I'm very confused by this reply: I understand that the corrected printings aren't available yet, and at this point I just want to return the first-printing box which you shipped me (despite my having e-mailed twice to ask for my order to be held until new printings are available). How should I return this unwanted item?

Battlefront Customer Service: We are not accepting returns or exchanges for these cards. Please direct any further questions to Wizards of the Coast. This error is on their side.


Of course, mistakes happen, and that's OK. They can be resolved, and I'm sure trystero will get his issue fixed in no time. But it's curious that GF9 is directing people towards WotC on the matter rather than dealing with it themselves. I have no insight into any arrangements between the two companies, other than that GF9's products are official, licensed D&D products.

I think personally I'll hold off until the end of April or so before ordering any of the newly updated cards, just in case. I'm sure it'll sort itself out!

UPDATE -- John-Paul Brisigotti from Battlefront has posted a reply.

Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

When these decks were being finalised WOTC were in the final stages of completing almost two years of work on 5th Ed and trying to get the Players Handbook to the printers. We were also trying to get our decks completed and despite months of back and forth we still missed a single card out of the Arcane and Paladin deck from spells that made it into the book at the last round of edits. At the time we discussed how to try and get these missing cards out to the world but the practicality of doing so was unrealistic so knowing we had more specialist and archetype decks to release we thought that was our best chance to resolve this issue.

In April a new deck of Elemental spells that comes with the Princes of the Apocalypse module will be released and the following month some Archetype decks for the classes. In both sets we will add the two cards to the decks so that everybody who is missing them has multiple chances of getting the missing cards. This plan was to be announced as part of this Fridays web update so for more details visit www.gf9-dnd.com this weekend.

This entire issue is one of poor communication on our part and that is never a helpful way to resolve any problem. The GF9 name has stood for high quality D&D product for over five years now and given the overwhelmingly positive response we have had from you on the new 5th ed product the last thing we want to do is not resolve these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

 

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Gale Force Nine

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Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

When these decks were being finalised WOTC were in the final stages of completing almost two years of work on 5th Ed and trying to get the Players Handbook to the printers. We were also trying to get our decks completed and despite months of back and forth we still missed a single card out of the Arcane and Paladin deck from spells that made it into the book at the last round of edits. At the time we discussed how to try and get these missing cards out to the world but the practicality of doing so was unrealistic so knowing we had more specialist and archetype decks to release we thought that was our best chance to resolve this issue.

In April a new deck of Elemental spells that comes with the Princes of the Apocalypse module will be released and the following month some Archetype decks for the classes. In both sets we will add the two cards to the decks so that everybody who is missing them has multiple chances of getting the missing cards. This plan was to be announced as part of this Fridays web update so for more details visit www.gf9-dnd.com this weekend.

This entire issue is one of poor communication on our part and that is never a helpful way to resolve any problem. The GF9 name has stood for high quality D&D product for over five years now and given the overwhelmingly positive response we have had from you on the new 5th ed product the last thing we want to do is not resolve these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group
 

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They burned me with the first set of cards, I learned to live with it. I thought about buying the updated card sets, just to have them but waited. I had a bad feeling this thread would show again their efforts with customer service.

I'm not buying anything from them again. As much as I complain about Pathfinder product bloat, Paizo is outstanding with taking care of their customers.
 

Alphastream

Adventurer
GF9 has always provided me with great products. I've really been blown away by the quality of the maps, minis, and tokens. The spell cards aren't perfect, but I see tons of happy people merrily using them. We all want product to hit the shelves the moment it could, and that's clearly what they tried to do while working with what surely were many last-minute changes to the text.

I thought their answer on the previous page was a great clarification. It's their product, their customer service was wrong, it will be corrected.
 

ShadowThief

First Post
Thanks for the Info

Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

When these decks were being finalised WOTC were in the final stages of completing almost two years of work on 5th Ed and trying to get the Players Handbook to the printers. We were also trying to get our decks completed and despite months of back and forth we still missed a single card out of the Arcane and Paladin deck from spells that made it into the book at the last round of edits. At the time we discussed how to try and get these missing cards out to the world but the practicality of doing so was unrealistic so knowing we had more specialist and archetype decks to release we thought that was our best chance to resolve this issue.

In April a new deck of Elemental spells that comes with the Princes of the Apocalypse module will be released and the following month some Archetype decks for the classes. In both sets we will add the two cards to the decks so that everybody who is missing them has multiple chances of getting the missing cards. This plan was to be announced as part of this Fridays web update so for more details visit www.gf9-dnd.com this weekend.

This entire issue is one of poor communication on our part and that is never a helpful way to resolve any problem. The GF9 name has stood for high quality D&D product for over five years now and given the overwhelmingly positive response we have had from you on the new 5th ed product the last thing we want to do is not resolve these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

Thanks for the official info. I'll check out the www.gf9-dnd.com for the update mentioned on Friday. BTW, the Red Dragon Teaser is pretty impressive. When does that come out?

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Uller

Adventurer
So...I just ordered two sets of cards from our local Brick and Mortar store (and they are just ordering them for me from flamesofwar). Are the new cards out now? Should I tell them to cancel the order and place it again later? I'm not really all that picky but if it can be helped I'd prefer the new cards to the old and if they are still shipping the old cards, I'd just assume we wait.
 

trystero

Explorer
Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

...

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

Thank you for weighing in, Mr Brisigotti: I appreciate your responding directly to the discussion here.

I hope you can also address the issues of how and when customers can buy the updated Spellbook Cards decks from Battlefront/GF9, and clarify whether Battlefront will accept returns of the unwanted early-printing Arcane decks which at least a couple of customers in this thread, myself included, have received from Battlefront in place of the desired revised-printing decks.

Cheers,
Doug
 

Warunsun

First Post
The new cards aren't available yet. If you order cards your getting the old ones folks. You need to wait for now. I have all of the old sets and despite the concentration issue I am happily using them. I do wish that concentration had been listed and that the ritual tag had been used. The cards are still useful but not perfect as others have observed. Also, Battlefront the web-store will often back-order parts of your order. If you are using a debit card or gift card you may experience delayed charged that will screw with your US bank accounts. I seriously recommend only using a full service credit card with their shop. Personally, my order was shipped just fine and I am totally happy with their fulfillment. I don't know if I will buy a new set once the concentration issue is fixed because I am not sure it warrants replacement.
 

Gale Force Nine

First Post
The card decks sold through very fast indeed and despite our best effort to get the updated sets done before the Chinese New Year holiday, which finished at the end of last week, they have not left the printer yet. The new core decks with the missing cards and concentration symbol added will be in market in April along with the Princes of the Apocalypse screen and elemental spell deck.

You are correct that our back-order system is not ideal as it is linked to all four warehouses around the world. This means that the information it displays might be correct from one location but not from another leading to confusion over what is available or not. We are working on making this better but is one of the joins of trying to take orders in multiple currencies from multiple warehouses and have all the info be correct in real time.
 

linkbox

First Post
Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

...

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

Hello!

Its good to know that someone finally answered some of our questions, thank you so much for that!

I have one more query for you; if you are adding the missing cards to all of the upcoming decks, wouldn't it be cheaper to set up a form where you provide proof of purchase of the spellbook cards and then you guys mail us the missing cards? That may actually be cheaper than including them in every deck that is coming out soon. It also seems somewhat unfair that we have to buy another product to fix an issue with your previous one; imagine you had to buy the elemental evil rulebook to get the errata for the 5e PHB? (although I am sure stuff like that has happened in the past at some point!) that wouldn't go over very well with a lot of customers so I am not sure how this isn't the same thing.

I understand your hard work getting everything right and that sometimes mistakes happen (like issues in rulebooks), but I still think that there should be a way for your company to fix this free of cost for the customer since it was not our fault to begin with (like errata PDF do). Its not that it wouldn't cost money to do so, but more like I now will think very hard before buying another GF9/Battlefront product because I know that if there is an issue with it I may not get it fixed without shelling out more cash so it may have costed future sales because of this issue (it certainly did for me, I planned to buy every set and now I doubt that will happen). Again, I know that 1 card is no big deal, but its the principle of the thing as now those of us who bought the incomplete sets are stuck with an inferior product.

Lastly, if the restriction behind your team fixing it for free is due to legal reasons with WotC IP, then I apologize for the rant as in that case its out of your control; I just hope that it is not due to excessive cost savings measures as that would really be short sighted.

Anyways, thank you so much for getting back to us! It honestly did restore my faith in GF9s customer support a wee bit (I still like your product itself, very good quality!), and your reply was certainly faster than emailing them directly ;)
 

Gale Force Nine

First Post
Although your idea was the first thing we analysed as the easy answer the resulting cost just proved prohibitive. To illustrate even if you assume the cost of the extra card is free the postage for an envelope in the US is 0.29c. With staff time for packing and labelling by tens of thousands of units the numbers in the US market alone ended up being more than the cost of producing the entire Paladin deck run in the first place for just that extra card. We want to always be able to fix our mistakes but the result of that one card costing us the entire print run of that set just made the choice that as a business we simply could not afford to take.

We are not happy with the fact we have to consider things in this way at times but being a business and employing hundreds of people does mean we have to always take this into account. I know the outcome is that we are assuming that you will trust us enough, or be unable to resist, the new sets coming so you can get your missing cards but failing that there will be thousands of cards out there in the hands of people who don't have those sets so I hope that most gaming groups or stores will have spare copies. I will have a think about how we might be able to help people connect in stores as everybody wants the same result so getting some help to facilitate it should not be too hard.
 

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