[UPDATED] Issues With Official D&D 5E Spell Cards?

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

Gale Force 9 is the licensed producer of the spell cards and sells them through its online store, Flames of War. I'm not 100% clear where Battlefront fits in there - all the company addresses mention it, so I assume it's a parent company or somesuch. Perhaps somebody in the comments can clarify!

His email exchange with Battlefront went as follows:

Battlefront Customer Service: Unfortunately there is nothing in place to replace the original card sets. This was an error caused by Wizard of the Coast sending the wrong files to be printed. Should you need to seek compensation may I suggest contacting their customer service department?

Trystero: I'm very confused by this reply: I understand that the corrected printings aren't available yet, and at this point I just want to return the first-printing box which you shipped me (despite my having e-mailed twice to ask for my order to be held until new printings are available). How should I return this unwanted item?

Battlefront Customer Service: We are not accepting returns or exchanges for these cards. Please direct any further questions to Wizards of the Coast. This error is on their side.


Of course, mistakes happen, and that's OK. They can be resolved, and I'm sure trystero will get his issue fixed in no time. But it's curious that GF9 is directing people towards WotC on the matter rather than dealing with it themselves. I have no insight into any arrangements between the two companies, other than that GF9's products are official, licensed D&D products.

I think personally I'll hold off until the end of April or so before ordering any of the newly updated cards, just in case. I'm sure it'll sort itself out!

UPDATE -- John-Paul Brisigotti from Battlefront has posted a reply.

Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

When these decks were being finalised WOTC were in the final stages of completing almost two years of work on 5th Ed and trying to get the Players Handbook to the printers. We were also trying to get our decks completed and despite months of back and forth we still missed a single card out of the Arcane and Paladin deck from spells that made it into the book at the last round of edits. At the time we discussed how to try and get these missing cards out to the world but the practicality of doing so was unrealistic so knowing we had more specialist and archetype decks to release we thought that was our best chance to resolve this issue.

In April a new deck of Elemental spells that comes with the Princes of the Apocalypse module will be released and the following month some Archetype decks for the classes. In both sets we will add the two cards to the decks so that everybody who is missing them has multiple chances of getting the missing cards. This plan was to be announced as part of this Fridays web update so for more details visit www.gf9-dnd.com this weekend.

This entire issue is one of poor communication on our part and that is never a helpful way to resolve any problem. The GF9 name has stood for high quality D&D product for over five years now and given the overwhelmingly positive response we have had from you on the new 5th ed product the last thing we want to do is not resolve these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

 

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Although your idea was the first thing we analysed as the easy answer the resulting cost just proved prohibitive. To illustrate even if you assume the cost of the extra card is free the postage for an envelope in the US is 0.29c. With staff time for packing and labelling by tens of thousands of units the numbers in the US market alone ended up being more than the cost of producing the entire Paladin deck run in the first place for just that extra card. We want to always be able to fix our mistakes but the result of that one card costing us the entire print run of that set just made the choice that as a business we simply could not afford to take.

We are not happy with the fact we have to consider things in this way at times but being a business and employing hundreds of people does mean we have to always take this into account. I know the outcome is that we are assuming that you will trust us enough, or be unable to resist, the new sets coming so you can get your missing cards but failing that there will be thousands of cards out there in the hands of people who don't have those sets so I hope that most gaming groups or stores will have spare copies. I will have a think about how we might be able to help people connect in stores as everybody wants the same result so getting some help to facilitate it should not be too hard.

Makes sense, yeah I figured that may have been the issue cost-wise. I will be on the lookout for those extra free cards from stores for sure and will read this blog for further updates on that front. Also, thank you so much for the reply! I will see if I will be able to resist or not ;)

(PS: I think as your company grows you guys may need to hire a PR person to deal with these issues. Thankfully you were able to jump on and fix the issue on your own, but a lot of this damage may have been mitigated by earlier action on BFs part. Still, like I said, your reply certainly did help a bit so thank you for that!)
 

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I agree and we are looking for a US based person to absolutely fill this role as the number of brands we are juggling gets hard and although the BF warehouse teams can cope with a great deal of customer issues having a dedicated person for some of the major brands is now a must. With D&D and board games to keep them busy they will certainly have their hands full.
 

You are correct that our back-order system is not ideal as it is linked to all four warehouses around the world. This means that the information it displays might be correct from one location but not from another leading to confusion over what is available or not. We are working on making this better but is one of the joins of trying to take orders in multiple currencies from multiple warehouses and have all the info be correct in real time.

That's an understatement. I ordered copies of all the cards back in early January from the GF9/BF storefront because they were shown as being IN STOCK, instead of slightly more expensive copies off Amazon. I've gotten two separate shipments so far as the cards have trickled in, but I'm STILL waiting on the Divine spells nearly two months later, and from the latest e-mail notification I received, sounds like another 3-4 week wait. I'm also curious now if I'll be receiving the old or new versions when they finally come in.

Top it off, the arcane spells I received were mispacked (missing half the 2nd level & 3rd level spells, duplicates of the 0th & 1st level spells). It's taken a week just to get a response on that and I was asked what my shipping address was (I'd already been shipped to twice, you ought to have my address as I included the order number in my e-mails). So I'm now still waiting for the Arcane cards, which supposedly has been mailed out today (but from a previous e-mail, sounds like I won't get a shipping notification, so how am I supposed to know when it shows up on my doorstep?).
 

I pre-ordered one copy of each of the new, revised decks. Like many here, I received a copy of the old Arcane Deck (the other decks were listed as being on back order). I contacted Battlefront via email to explain the situation. They re-added the Arcane Deck to my back order at a cost of $0 and did not ask for the old Arcane Deck back. So basically, I'm going to pay shipping twice, which isn't desirable but not that big of a deal, and I have a copy of the old Arcane Deck. It was definitely a mistake on the part of Battlefront/GF9 but I feel that they made it right by me.

CNYGamer
 
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Hopefully I get the same response CNYGamer99. At this point I've gotten an apologetic email from the CEO but no reply as to how to return my Arcane Deck in exchange for the updated cards.
 


(PS: I think as your company grows you guys may need to hire a PR person to deal with these issues. Thankfully you were able to jump on and fix the issue on your own, but a lot of this damage may have been mitigated by earlier action on BFs part. Still, like I said, your reply certainly did help a bit so thank you for that!)
I'm going to disagree. Morrus wrote his post at 8:25 AM. The company responds by 4:43 PM the same day. They provide a sound response.

While the company can improve (congratulations to anyone working for/with a perfect company, I haven't met one yet), I'm not sure what else we should really expect. This isn't some multi-billion-dollar company (and, guess what, those mess up orders too - I work with many such companies).

Our willingness to rage without care is what creates this perception that GF9 needs a PR outfit. While I completely understand someone being disappointed with the issues reported here, the extent of the vitriol and the conclusions people jumped to were on us, not on GF9. GF9 offers great products. Our willingness to jump to conclusions and paint them as some horrible monster can be disastrous to them and in turn to our hobby. We should own our behavior and what it creates. We can, and should, improve as an audience, customers, and gamers.
 

"Shocking!"

"Gross negligence!"

"BOYCOTT!!"

These words are losing all meaning. What're we talking about again?
We're talking about the OUTRAGE being perpetrated! The UNMITIGATED GALL!

Actually, I've lost track, too. I just like shouting along with the mob. Looks like there was a customer service issue which was addressed.
 

Hopefully I get the same response CNYGamer99. At this point I've gotten an apologetic email from the CEO but no reply as to how to return my Arcane Deck in exchange for the updated cards.

I'm glad to know that they are responding to customers about these return issues. I haven't heard anything new from Battlefront myself, but am still hoping.

Regardless, though, I'm impressed that Mr Brisigotti has candidly addressed some of the concerns raised by posters in this thread: he's improved my opinion of Battlefront and I hope that continues. (My original post was not meant to vilify Battlefront, but just to warn other posters about the potential for confusion and unwanted items when ordering the Spellbook Cards directly from them.)
 


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