D&D (2024) Using AI for Your Home Game

[SlyFlourish]

this is a weird argument I don't get... it's like saying "Your dog isn't getting free food YOU paid for it" or (it is the week of my birthday) the 3 times I am getting taken out to eat this week isn't "Free food" cause my mom, my sister and my best friend are paying... I will say when/if my wife takes me out that ISN'T free cause our money is Fungible.

First, services like this are really good deals for their users. Free or cheap access to LLMs that cost the companies billions of dollars to run. OpenAI is valued at 160 billion dollars but taking an estimated 5 billion dollar loss because of how expensive it is to run (I moved this out of the paywall for you).

So yes, first, they're good to their users. Then, they screw their users for their business partners. Then they screw their business partners for their investors. Then they screw their investors to line their own pockets and run off.

There's a big cost to use an LLM right now – power, water, the non-consensual use of peoples' creative work, the loss of creative jobs, and the exponentially growing piles of slop filling up the internet.

On this last point, people now have to do image searches for time periods before generative AI because image searches are now saturated with crappy AI images. If you thought the internet was already going down hill, now it's in free fall.

So yeah, there's a cost worse than just clicking a website and getting stuff.

Again, you can hear all of that and say "whatever, I don't care". That's your choice to make. But you can't say no one ever told you.

 

[SlyFlourish]

Napster,limewire,the pirate bay. Remember this gem and how everyone (well almost everyone) at the time mocked it

Clearly your mind is made up but on this last point, Napster and Limewire and Pirates Bay didn't become $160 billion dollar companies in two years.

If this was all just people in their garages making LLMs, that'd be one thing. But huge entrenched companies are becoming huger and more entrenched because of this tech. This isn't scrappy little rogues. It's huge megacorps getting more mega. Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Apple – do these sound familiar?

 

[SlyFlourish]

I do wonder though if you would really call someone a thief to there face if at Gencon

I didn't call them a thief here. I said we should know what's going on and then make our own judgements. We just don't get to ignore the costs.

Now if Sam Bankman Fried ... sorry, Sam Altman (so easy to get confused...), was to show up at Gencon and I wouldn't get shot by his bodyguards, you bet I'd ask him for the $20 and required citations he owes me for indexing Sly Flourish and using it to build his $160 billion dollar company.

 

[Scribe]

It's huge megacorps getting more mega. Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Apple – do these sound familiar?

Just add Nvidea and you have a rocking investment fund, unless the bubble pops.

 

[Charlaquin]

I don't think you understand the sentiment of that cartoon.

You are not suggesting "improving society." You are suggesting that one particular kind of automation that you don't approve of amounts to theft, while applying a different standard to others, specifically the ones that you enjoy. But thanks for the lazy and insulting meme.

Not at all. I accept that there is no ethical production or consumption under our current economic system, and accordingly I must make some ethical compromises (such as using mass-produced goods) in order to survive and function within modern society. It’s still wrong, I would avoid it if I could, but I can’t. On the other hand, not using AI art, or art taken from Pintrest or what have you, is a very small sacrifice it is within my power to make, so I do.

 

[SlyFlourish]

Just add Nvidea and you have a rocking investment fund, unless the bubble pops.

Until

 

[SkidAce]

On the other hand, not using AI art, or art taken from Pintrest or what have you, is a very small sacrifice it is within my power to make, so I do.

This meant to understand the depth of your views, not as a gotcha, I'm not that type of poster.

Isn't your avatar from "Delicious in the Dungeon"?

Maybe that falls under "fair use"?

 

[Charlaquin]

This meant to understand the depth of your views, not as a gotcha, I'm not that type of poster.

Isn't your avatar from "Delicious in the Dungeon"?

Maybe that falls under "fair use"?

It is. It’s a screenshot from an episode of the anime adaptation, for which the artists who worked on have long been paid, and I don’t think my use of a single frame from the show is in any way negatively impacting potential views. For a while I used a scan from the manga, which I think was a bit shakier ground, but still not negatively impacting Ryoko Kui in any way that I can see. I would certainly never use fan art for such a purpose without the creator’s permission though.

 

[SkidAce]

It is. It’s a screenshot from an episode of the anime adaptation, for which the artists who worked on have long been paid, and I don’t think my use of a single frame from the show is in any way negatively impacting potential views. For a while I used a scan from the manga, which I think was a bit shakier ground, but still not negatively impacting Ryoko Kui in any way that I can see. I would certainly never use fan art for such a purpose without the creator’s permission though.

I can respect that, Thanks.

 

[trappedslider]

I deleted a very long post because I didn't want to derail this thread into a general argument about AI anymore than it already has. And there's a forum on here for generalness.