Using Scrolls while Invisible

[cheshire_grin]

Right, but that makes it harder to read

Not necessarily.

Pick up the (visible) scroll, tuck it and your head inside your cloak (i.e. pull the edge of the cloak up over your head).

The scroll is invisible to anyone else, but visible to you.

Depending on DM ruling, of course, but it's a reasonable interpretation.

 

[werk]

That would certainly work, but since the books seem silent on the issue, I'd just say that the invisible character can see himself and his own stuff. Without a specific reference to a penalty applied to the PC for being invisible, assume there is none.

I'd go with this, the rules tell you what you can't do, not the infinite things that can be done. If this was a problem for invisible people, there should be text. Since there is nothing about how to handle the issue, an issue must not exist. Stairs would be a real problem...

I also like avr's reasoning to explain why.

 

[Jhaelen]

Oh yea how do blind people walk, they can't see themselves You can still see the ground and balance yourself, you don't need to see yourself in order to walk.

Well, I guess, this means, someone with the blind-fighting feat has an advantage when becoming invisible.

What I can say from personal experience is, that when I once broke my glasses I initially had difficulties judging the distance to the floor, especially on inclines/declines and when climbing stairs, etc. So I was basically stumbling around as if I had been blinded. It took several days before I got accustomed to this.

To me it's obvious that you become invisible to everyone else but not yourself.

I generally dislike arguing about D&D rules by applying real-world science, but I'll make an exception to point out another consequence:
If you became invisible to yourself you wouldn't be able to see anything at all, because light would simply pass through your invisible retina. So, blind-fighting would obviously be VERY useful for anyone planning on casting invisibility on oneself regularly

 

[Cheiromancer]

If you became invisible to yourself you wouldn't be able to see anything at all, because light would simply pass through your invisible retina. So, blind-fighting would obviously be VERY useful for anyone planning on casting invisibility on oneself regularly

You think like I do!

I've often thought that invisibility should also inflict blindness on the recipient. Either that or invisibility gives the benefit of detect invisibility for the duration. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings enabled the Ring Bearer to see Ring Wraiths, I believe, who would otherwise be invisible. So there's a bit of evidence for that interpretation.

 

[Thurbane]

Someone once postulated that in earlier editions your "see invisibility" chance was to notice a pair of non-invisible retinas floating around the room.

Re the visible scroll/invisible caster option, it will lead to the enemy targeting the square with the hovering parchment in it...

 

[nittanytbone]

Someone once postulated that in earlier editions your "see invisibility" chance was to notice a pair of non-invisible retinas floating around the room.

Re the visible scroll/invisible caster option, it will lead to the enemy targeting the square with the hovering parchment in it...

That's fine -- the BBEG still gets 50% concealment and all the other bonuses of invisibility. Plus, if he can get hard cover for one round (or some other form of concealment, such as a simple Smokestick) the PCs may not notice at all, at least not well enough for targeting purposes.