D&D 3E/3.5 v4: Challenge Ratings pdf (3.5 compatible)

[Wulf Ratbane]

I have three requests:

First, can we perhaps get Kavon to move his discussion to seasong's thread? It really does seem more an application of the system than a discussion of the system itself.

Second, UK, can you explain the Dragons/SR/CR thing a bit more clearly? Some of us were not here for the entirety of the SR discussion. I could really use some context for your answer. Try not to be your usual terse self, I need some understanding!

Third, can someone please post the latest and greatest spreadsheet?


Wulf

 

[Kavon]

First, can we perhaps get Kavon to move his discussion to seasong's thread? It really does seem more an application of the system than a discussion of the system itself.

Yes, I was thinking about that too myself. As long as U_K replies to that thread as well, it's alright with me
Should I explain the entire thing over again, or just directly move the discussion about it over there?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

But those two do not make up the entirety of keen senses. Dragons can also see twice as far as humans in normal lighting conditions as well. Do you not find this aspect of keen sense consequential enough to rate?

Not really, you could and you couldn't I suppose.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

That looks like a good general guideline. Is there any reason to think it's (HD/5)d6, round up, rather than (say) (HD/6+1)d6, round down?

I thought this was already explained in the back of the Monster Manual under Swarm?

I think its round down.

Nah. Monsters get racial modifiers, which subsume +1/4 modifiers. Heck, the rat swarm (for example) has the same stats as individual rats, not increased as its 4 HD would indicate if this were the case.

Okay.

Swams have natural armor as their invividual parts and no more. Not even the 12HD hellwasp swarm gets NA...

Fair enough.

I'm more than willing to change regeneration and SR, though, as those were basically arbitrary -- crude extrapolations from the number of creatures in the swarm and comparitive increases in other swarms.

Indeed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey again U_K

Hiya mate!

Let's see...
Magical Training [General] (from the FR campaign setting book)
Prerequisite: Int 10
This gives you two 0th level arcane spells, once per day each, which use the character's arcane caster level (minimum 1) as caster level. This can only be taken at 1st level as well.

Does this seem worth 0.2 CR to you?

No.

Hmm.. Yeah, I guess. I think me and my players prefer it if spells were individually taken, though.

Okay.

Hmm.. That last part seems unfinished
But anyway.. Yeah, I think I could do something like that..
Hmm... How much would 0th level spells be costing like this?
Caster level x Spell level x 0.003 for 3/day.. let's say at 1st level, that would be.. 1 x 0.5 x 0.003 = 0.0015?
A 1st level spell, at 1st level caster level would cost 0.003 CR, or 3 XP?? Isn't that a very low cost?
I think I'll let them increase the caster level individually from character level. Like, if they want to learn a 5th level spell (9th caster level minimum) once per day, that would be 0.045 CR or 45 XP. If they want to increase the times per day by one, the total would become 0.09 CR, or 90 XP. So, they'd need to put another 45 XP in the spell to increase it like that. If they now want to increase the caster level to 10, the total changes to 0.1 CR, or 100 XP, so they'd need to put an extra 10 XP into it.
I'm not sure, but I think some of these results seem pretty low costing (like the increasing caster level to 10 costing only 10 XP).

Its all getting a bit confused.

What about a single spell-like ability equals a feat but you have to take one spell of each preceeding level first (as a prereq.)?

Now that I'm looking at this.. Shouldn't there be a difference in cost between Always Active and the other ones below it? Having something permanently active seems allot more powerful then only being able to do it 5 (or even 10) times per day. Same goes for At will (though it should be slightly less than always active I guess).

Depends on the initial duration.

*uses the Force to try and help U_K find the scrap of paper*

I really hate having to go through stuff I have already done and dusted, I need a filing system for my filing system because its a nightmare trying to find anything.

I don't think it is really what you are after anyway since you are not reinventing integrated spell progression as much as you are simply wanting a spell buffet.

But if I come across it I will post it.

Oh, no, I was refering to EN world not working too great at the time. I think I remember reading about you having some problems with your computer though. Glad everything is working again now

Hmm... But if I let it all out the window on the wealth, wouldn't there be an inbalance after a while? I know at least one of my players likes to go to a town and find the rich neighbourhood to pillage through.. so, the player would end up with loads of wealth to spend (and he will), which would make him allot stronger than his XP total would allow for.
Or did I misunderstand you?

Monetary wealth does not automatically mean magical Equipment. Tone down any sort of magic shop setup you have so that the players can't buy anything at their current measure of power.

Ah, ok. Sounds good.
Where/how do I find these maximums?

You don't, I made them up.

The average human score is 10-11, best starting human score 18, best 20th-level human score (before magic) 23.

You could say that there is a racial maximum of +12.

Thanks

Anytime mate!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Wulf mate!

I have three requests:

First, can we perhaps get Kavon to move his discussion to seasong's thread? It really does seem more an application of the system than a discussion of the system itself.

Or he can email me.

Second, UK, can you explain the Dragons/SR/CR thing a bit more clearly? Some of us were not here for the entirety of the SR discussion. I could really use some context for your answer. Try not to be your usual terse self, I need some understanding!

WotC Dragon SR = CR + 6

U_K Monster SR = HD + 12

If you retain WotCs version then a good parallel between my CR and theirs (for dragons) is 1/2. If you use my version then all monsters (including dragons) can be converted by using the 2/3 method.

Do you need me to explain this further?

Third, can someone please post the latest and greatest spreadsheet?

I have two versions by Xanatos and I cannot view either because there is a flaw in my copy of Microsoft Excel and I need a full reinstall of Microsoft Office. A friend was meant to bring that up on Friday night but he forgot so I may have to wait another few days before I have a working copy of that.

 

[Kavon]

Or he can email me.

Oh yeah!

Ok, I'll take this optional thing to emails from now on instead of putting it over here.

 

[kreynolds]

I have two versions by Xanatos and I cannot view either because there is a flaw in my copy of Microsoft Excel and I need a full reinstall of Microsoft Office. A friend was meant to bring that up on Friday night but he forgot so I may have to wait another few days before I have a working copy of that.

And this prevents you from posting the spreadsheet...how?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

And this prevents you from posting the spreadsheet...how?

...because xanatos said he didn't want it posted until it was finished/checked.

 

[kreynolds]

...because xanatos said he didn't want it posted until it was finished/checked.

Gotcha. But, out of curiosity, what does it matter if it's finished or not? Either yourself or Xanatos can answer that. I only ask because I don't see the purpose of "development secrecy", or what have you. Seems kinda pointless in an open discussion.