D&D 3E/3.5 v4: Challenge Ratings pdf (3.5 compatible)

[Cheiromancer]

But it suggests that Ranger or Paladin Spellcasting can be added to any of the "lower powered" classes (Rogues or Fighters, say), and it won't make a significant difference.

But yeah, .002/level makes it not as bad as I had thought.

Do you think a level of wizard spellcasting is really worth 44 feats?

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

But it suggests that Ranger or Paladin Spellcasting can be added to any of the "lower powered" classes (Rogues or Fighters, say), and it won't make a significant difference.

But yeah, .002/level makes it not as bad as I had thought.

Do you think a level of wizard spellcasting is really worth 44 feats?

Cheiromancer, I think you got your numbers messed up

A lvl of wizard spellcasting equals 0.44% of 1 CR, which means that it equals 2.2 feats per wizard spellcasting lvl. (Since it's 5 feats per 1 CR).

But you're still right. The Ranger and Paladin spell casting equals 2 feats in total. It might seem low, but if you compare a paladin and a fighter, you'll see that they are basically the same, just with different class abilities. A fighter gets 11 bonus feats, a paladin gets something else that equals those 11 feats. And since smite evil equals a feat (0.2 CR), you already have 5 feats accounted for.
With divine grace and all, there's just not room for the spells to be very costly. Of course this is fully correct way of looking at it, but just how valuable is that spellcasting at the lvls it is gained?

Oh, and Krust, I'm very curious as to the cost of divine grace, as I'm thinking of applying it to a race. Secondly, what's the cost of +1 to a save?

Thanks

 

[Cheiromancer]

+1 to a save is half a feat. So +0.1 CR

And I'm wondering if ability damage is undervalued. 1 point of melee damage is worth +0.1 CR. 1 point of ability damage is worth +0.15 CR. Permanent damage is worth +0.2 CR

I would estimate that temporary ability damage is about equal to a die of damage, and so should be worth about +0.35 CR.

What do folks think?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Sorcica mate!

I think I have picked up a bit of a cold these past few days so I am probably not at my best with regards 'stuff' at the 'mo'; so thanks for helping out Cheiromancer in my abscence.

Oh, and Krust, I'm very curious as to the cost of divine grace, as I'm thinking of applying it to a race.

+1 CR (I think).

Secondly, what's the cost of +1 to a save?

Well, you can get +2 to a single save or +1 to all saves from a feat.

So either +0.1 or +0.066 would be 'correct'.

Thanks

Anytime matey! Happy New Year!

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Anytime matey! Happy New Year!

You too mate

 

[Kavon]

Er.. *bumps into topic*

Wooh, just got back from Illinois after a really hectic day at several airports x_x (spent the holidays there).

How's everything coming allong now?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Kavon mate!

Er.. *bumps into topic*

Wooh, just got back from Illinois after a really hectic day at several airports x_x (spent the holidays there).

I hope you mean Illinois and not the airport.

How's everything coming allong now?

Well v5 is 99.9% finished. However the whole Treasure debacle just left a bad taste in my mouth and I haven't returned to it since.

I haven't made a decision yet on which of the various methods for determining Treasure to use; and since we have reached an impasse with no Treasure system being 'perfect' I may not update the system until the eventual Immortals Handbook Appendix.

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Hey Kavon mate!



I hope you mean Illinois and not the airport.



Well v5 is 99.9% finished. However the whole Treasure debacle just left a bad taste in my mouth and I haven't returned to it since.

I haven't made a decision yet on which of the various methods for determining Treasure to use; and since we have reached an impasse with no Treasure system being 'perfect' I may not update the system until the eventual Immortals Handbook Appendix.

Hey Krusty!

If you haven't finished v5 yet, you might want to include a formula a la your ECL = CR * 1.24.

It's very simple. It's ECL = CR * 1.054 after silver rule.

Hope to see the IH soon.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Krusty!

Hi Sorcica mate!

If you haven't finished v5 yet,

Well I could have it up and ready within an hour. But the whole Treasure thing still doesn't sit well with me (and a number of others).

you might want to include a formula a la your ECL = CR * 1.24.

It's very simple. It's ECL = CR * 1.054 after silver rule.

I already have that formula in v5 (If I remember correctly you were too late to pick up a preview of that one weren't you...?)

Hope to see the IH soon.

Me too. Appreciate the support mate.

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Well I could have it up and ready within an hour. But the whole Treasure thing still doesn't sit well with me (and a number of others).

I already have that formula in v5 (If I remember correctly you were too late to pick up a preview of that one weren't you...?)

Indeed. and it irks me. On the other hand, I'd rather wait for great products I'm going to use a lot (IH comes to mind), than get a rushed incomplete product.
That said, do post it soon will you