Vampires and Souls

[qstor]

Any chance in 3.x that a vampires's soul can be saved if he's killed ? Or is his soul completely corrupted? Libis Mortis and Complte Divine weren't clear on souls and vampires.


EDIT: My fault. I edited the post to remove spoilers.


thanks

Mike

 

[Infiniti2000]

Please remove all of the spoilers or put the whole post in a spoiler block and label it appropriately. The actual module is irrelevant to your question.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Please remove all of the spoilers or put the whole post in a spoiler block and label it appropriately. The actual module is irrelevant to your question.

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. I was playing in RtToEE (never played the first one) and haven't gotten very far yet (just started in fact). Oh well, guess I know what to expect now.

 

[FEADIN]

They can be saved, if they want...
—Not affected by raise dead and reincarnate spells or abilities. Resurrection and true resurrection can affect undead.

 

[Sejs]

I don't think there's much official information regarding 'saving' someone's soul, particularly after they're dead. My personal take on the undead/no raising thing breaks down something like so:

Undead do have souls, after a fashion, but unlike the case of a normal, living mortal, the soul and the body are not co-existing seperate entities. When an undead is created, the soul of that person is bound into their flesh, using it to reanimate the corpse. This is why you can't raise/res a currently active undead - the soul is otherwise occupied already, as part of the undead creature. Likewise, this is why you can't raise a destoyed undead; the process that binds the soul to the corpse when the creature is raised makes them inseperable. Destroying the body also destroys the soul. More powerful magics such as res and true res, which can reintegrate someone from just a fragment, however, can reassemble the once-living person, mending their shattered soul just as well as their shattered body.


Now all that just touches on the ability recover the vampire's soul after the creature has been destroyed. As for saving it or is it corrupted forever, well, look at it like this...


...even if you brought 'em back to life, it doesn't necessarily change their alignment. Evil is as evil does.

 

[Nyeshet]

I treat the souls of undead as effectively trapped in their prison of animated flesh. However, there is a difference between tainted undead and non-tainted. The non-tainted are trapped within the flesh - then tend to be wild, animalistic, etc due to the soul ever striving to gain control and stop the body from doing what they are seeing occurring through their eyes (if they have any). Tainted undead, however, are those that willingly accept the lifestype required of their undead flesh. They retain complete control, but their soul is tainted as a result. They do not die with a smile (due to their soul finally being released). Instead their is a chance their soul may actually be destroyed with the body, as the two have partially fused (not quite an outsider or fae type creature). They are typically the more subtle, cunning, manipulative, and thus more dangerous undead.