Vampiric Touch, Spellstoring, and thrown weapon...

[Storminator]

When PCat said to quit bickering, the intent is for all threads, not just that one. So no more bickering here, either, thanks.

For god's sake Dog, just make it stop.

Lock please...

PS

 

[drnuncheon]

I do not see where you are getting the implication that the weapon casts the spell after it successfully damages a creature rather than as it damages the creature. I do not believe that immediately implies after.

The weapon has to actually damage the creature before you can instruct it to cast the spell. If it doesn't damage the target for whatever reason - say, it fails to penetrate DR - you can't tell it to cast the spell. And we've had it asserted that once the damage is dealt, you are no longer the weilder - so therefore you can't instruct a thrown weapon to cast the spell.

If you don't get it, Frank will make fun of you.

J

 

[Gez]

Well well well...

Did you know what? An attack is instantaneous.

I mean, really. You hit someone, you deal damage instantly on your turn at the moment you rolled the attack.

There's no intermediary time period during which the attack has been made, but no damage is inflicted, because the flesh of the opponent is waiting for the delivery of the wound by Federal Express.

It's even one of the DM tips to speed things up in the DMG that you roll attack and damage dice at the same time (if you miss, just ignore the damage die).

You are wielding a weapon until the attack is solved. Then, if you still have the weapon in hand (a melee weapon), you are still wielding it.

 

[Camarath]

The weapon has to actually damage the creature before you can instruct it to cast the spell. If it doesn't damage the target for whatever reason - say, it fails to penetrate DR - you can't tell it to cast the spell. And we've had it asserted that once the damage is dealt, you are no longer the weilder - so therefore you can't instruct a thrown weapon to cast the spell.

You chose whether or not to cast the spell when the weapon damages the opponent not after. Casting the spell and dealing damage happen simultaneously, in the same way as taking damage form a poisoned weapon and being affected by the the poison happen simultaneously. The is no chronological gap between dealing damage and casting the spell. You are reading a gap between resolving damage and the triggering of this ability that does not exist. That fact that you must damage your opponent to use this ability does not imply that this abilty functions after the attack rather than at the same time as damage resolution.