D&D General Vote Up a 5e-alike: Poll 6: Archetypes and Fighters/Warriors NOW WITH EXTREME FIRST DRAFT!

[Lanefan]

I did a bit of analysis based on various combat roles and how they might be built using the Styles and Maneuvers presented.

Overwhelmingly this build was is about 1 v 1 damage (20 features) along with some buffing/debuffing (15 features), Extra Attacks (10), normal Attack bonus (6). Suprisingly only 6 features boost AC, there are only 2 features that boost HP, 2 for Mobility and 2 for increased Range.
There are 0 features for Stealth attacks, Multi-target Area Effect attacks (eg Volley) or Battlefield control (Powerful shove is 1v 1 and only knocks back 10 ft)

AC	HP	Attack	Damage	Extra Attack	Mobility	Range	Buff/Debuff
Armor Duelist/parry Redirect Whirlwind Weaving Run	Ignore The Pain parry	Accurate Attack: Archer Mounted Combat Weapon-Thrower Confusing blow First strike	Archer Dual-Weapon Duelist Maneuver Specialist Mounted Combat Polearm Fighting Pugilism Two-Handed Weapon-Thrower Weapon Specialization Bleed Out: Disarming Doubleshot Focus attention Frightful Lunge Mighty blow Opportunistic blow Skillful wildstrike	Dual-Weapon Polearm Fighting Extra Attack Cleave Manyshot Parry Quickfire Reflect Riposte Wildstrike	First strike Roll away	Archer Lunge	Blind-fight Bodyguard Disabling Disarming Draw attention Frightful Grappling Knock Off-Balance Magebreaker Mightyblow Shove Riposte Skillful Bleed out Work together

basing the analysis on the following roles:
Soldier - High AC, Extra Attack
Brute - High Damage, High HP, Grapple
Defender - Reach, AC
Striker - Mobility, Damage
Artillery - Range
Command - Zone Buff/Debuffs
Blaster - Multi-target effects
Battlefield Control - Area control Mobility

Interesting summary.

Weaving Run should (also) be under "Mobility", shouldn't it? Ditto Mounted Combat?

Also, would other mobility enhancements fit in there e.g.: some sort of safe withdrawal maneuver; enhanced dash or sprint (but only while on a battlefield); something that allows rising from prone as a free action, and so forth?

I assume Archer here includes users of hand-thrown weapons e.g. spearmen or javelineers; you only list Weapon Thrower separately under "Damage" but it should probably appear everywhere Archer does..

 

[Tonguez]

Weaving Run boost AC while you are moving, but doesnt actually enhance movement, so I determine it wasnt actually a mobility boost. Compare to Roll away which gives a 15 feet shift and no op atts - ie Weaving Run would really benefit if it negated opportunity attacks as well as the general AC boost. First strike gives a minor tactical bonus which increases mobility options so I put it in mobility

Weaving Run
:When you move, you can expend a maneuver die to add the number rolled to your AC. This bonus lasts until you stop moving.

Also, would other mobility enhancements fit in there e.g.: some sort of safe withdrawal maneuver; enhanced dash or sprint (but only while on a battlefield); something that allows rising from prone as a free action, and so forth?

Absolutely the ability to disengage as a bonus action, really anything that negates opportunity attacks, bonus move or dash, something like a tumble pass that allows a jump to space that you can see within 30ft, no opportunity attacks etc are all great options.

I probably should be more generous with Weapon thrower (its probably me getting stuck on the 20ft range being barely better than melee range)

 

[Faolyn]

@Tonguez, thanks for the input. I'm never quite sure what's OP or not, so I'll definitely make these changes.

 

[Faolyn]

Actually, should I even keep the "advanced" maneuvers or just turn them into feats that have that maneuver as a prerequisite?

 

[CreamCloud0]

Actually, should I even keep the "advanced" maneuvers or just turn them into feats that have that maneuver as a prerequisite?

keep them as maneuvres definitely IMO, dividing the methods used to obtain these abilities is a bad idea, itd be like asking a cleric to take a feat to improve turn undead into destroy undead.

 

[Lanefan]

keep them as maneuvres definitely IMO, dividing the methods used to obtain these abilities is a bad idea, itd be like asking a cleric to take a feat to improve turn undead into destroy undead.

Not that we've got to Clerics yet, but in the frame of 5e reference (and assuming feats are staying) the bolded is in fact not a bad idea.

 

[Faolyn]

Still working on Fighters, but here's some ancestries for you.

 

[Faolyn]

So here's my fighter second draft.