Vow of Poverty + Vassel of Bahamut

[Goose]

Ok, with the vow you are not allowed to have anything of value. The vassel of Bahamut creates his own armor and that armor will only work for him. He cant sell it off or it turns to dust. So i could see this item as having no monetary value. On the other hand, i can see that it is a suit of armor, which kinda goes against almost everything that vow of poverty is.


how would you guys rule this? I have a player thats thinking of heading down that path and im not sure if I should allow it.

 

[Wycen]

Nope, not gonna do it.

I've seen some people in previous VoP threads say they allow their player to carry potions of healing because it makes sense, just because you are poor doesn't mean you want to die.

But that is indeed going against the idea of the feat.

However, ultimately if you are the DM, it is your call.

My feeling is no, you can't have armor of any type even if you make it yourself.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Nope. "Value" isn't just defined by how much it can be sold for.

Anyway, the spirit of the VoP very clearly forbids possessions beyond a certain bare minimum, not merely possessions that can be sold. To say nothing of the fact that VoP is balanced against the assumption that people aren't going to try to loophole it.

There's no way I'd allow it.

 

[molonel]

nope

The possessions you may own are clearly laid out in the Vow of Poverty. The highly specialized armor of the Vessel of Bahamut, or the masterwork katana required for the Iajitsu Master. Some things are just oppositely aligned. You can't be a Paladin (lawful) and a Mystic Wanderer (non-lawful). You cannot obey the Vow of Poverty and have the armor required by the Vessel of Bahamut.

 

[Darrin Drader]

Well I know I'm going to regret sticking my neck into this discussion, but as one of the authors of the book and the one who designed the Vassal of Bahamut, it is my opinion that the VOP and the vassal of Bahamut are incompatible. They're incomaptible because of the platinum armor, and because one of your class abilities is the shared trove. Their focuses, while both good, are at odds with one another.

Of course that's just my two cents. YMMV.

 

[Olive]

No way. It's a scam... the VoP is balanced if you don't have gear and cash. The Vassel gets gear and cash, therefore you can't do both. If the vassel wants to give up both the armour and the cash, then maybe, but then why be a vassel?

 

[Piratecat]

Whisperfoot, nothing to regret; you made a rules call and everyone agrees with it.

 

[glass]

On a related question, are VoP characters allowed paladins' special mounts or druids' animals companions?

I always assumed that the answer was yes, but the argument I used is very similar to the argument for the Vassal's armour, so now I am not so sure.


glass.

 

[RigaMortus]

I would say "Yes" to the Paladin mount, animal friendship question. These things are more than simple "pets" that you buy/own. They are, for all intents and purposes, friends. You don't "own" a friend (unless you are a millionaire, then maybe...)

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

On a related question, are VoP characters allowed paladins' special mounts or druids' animals companions?

I always assumed that the answer was yes, but the argument I used is very similar to the argument for the Vassal's armour, so now I am not so sure.

Mounts and companions are specialized forms of a cohort, and should not count as a physical possession.

The gotcha here is that, unlike a cohort, mounts and companions do not usually have possessions of their own. Magical barding, etc. would normally by owned by the master. They may have survivability problems if they need to run around at higher levels completely lacking any magical items to aid them.