Wall of Force versus Anti Magic Ray (from Beholder)

[Kazoo]

If your in a Hemisphere Wall of Force would the magic inside be immune to a beholder shinning his Anti Magic Ray in the area?

In the DMG (page 72) it states that Walls of Force are not affected by antimagic, but does the antimagic effect go thru the wall and affect things on the other side, or in this case on the inside?

 

[Caliban]

If your in a Hemisphere Wall of Force would the magic inside be immune to a beholder shinning his Anti Magic Ray in the area?

In my opinion, yes.

In the DMG (page 72) it states that Walls of Force are not affected by antimagic, but does the antimagic effect go thru the wall and affect things on the other side, or in this case on the inside?

In my opinion, no.

 

[Magus_Jerel]

If your in a Hemisphere Wall of Force would the magic inside be immune to a beholder shinning his Anti Magic Ray in the area?

AMF and the beholder's "Cone of AMF" are both emanations - and these emanations are evidently stopped by the wall of force.

Conversely - you could argue that the Beholder's AM cone is a form of gaze attack - and can therefore bypass the barrier. In this particular case, it could go either way; and it is directly dependent on wether or not you consider the AM cone to be a gaze attack or not.

In the DMG (page 72) it states that Walls of Force are not affected by antimagic, but does the antimagic effect go thru the wall and affect things on the other side, or in this case on the inside?

By default - emanations of any kind are "contained" on their side of the wall of force. This includes spells such as silence,darkness, light, fireball, or (theoretically) AMF.

The barrier IS transparent however - so exactly how it affects a light spell is a bit problematic.

However, there is a really strange thing here. The AMF spell explicitly states that wall of force is unaffected by AMF - but says to check the spell description of wall of force for specifics. Wall of Force does not mention anything at all about AMF; leading you to believe that it WOULD be supressed by AMF. I guess we can chalk this one up to game design.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I just thought I ought to mention that the wall of force is a poor defensive measure to take against beholders... since they have their always-handy disintegrate eye which they can use to instantly bring down a wall of force!

Cheers

 

[gfunk]

*Spoilers for Demon God's Fane below*
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I think Monte goofed with this one. In one room the PCs meet a beholder in a maze constructed of walls of force. Monte points out that the beholder can dispel the walls with the anti-magic cone. It depends heavily on this tactic in this particular encounter.

 

[kreynolds]

[BI think Monte goofed with this one. In one room the PCs meet a beholder in a maze constructed of walls of force. Monte points out that the beholder can dispel the walls with the anti-magic cone. It depends heavily on this tactic in this particular encounter. [/B]

*Spoilers for Demon God's Fane below*
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Hehe. I remember that. I had to fix it at the last second. Instead of the beholder dispelling the floors, I put in a 3rd "lever puller" to control the floors.

 

[Kazoo]

I just thought I ought to mention that the wall of force is a poor defensive measure to take against beholders... since they have their always-handy disintegrate eye which they can use to instantly bring down a wall of force!

Cheers

Actually, I was planning to have a Pharimm throw up a Wall of Fire or an Acid Cloud at one of the PC's and then have another Pharimm (or the same one that's hasted) throw up a wall of force over the PC. Thereby trapping him along with the continuous damage spell.

Then have the Beholder put his eye over the Wall of Force so the rest of the party couldn't bring it down.

 

[Xarlen]

The Sage answered this in Dragon #296.

You cannot cast a spell that would origionate on the other side of a Wall of Force (Ala Flame Strike) because you have no line of Effect.

Wall of Force destroys a line of Effect, but not a line of Sight (Two different things). Because the Wall of Force is not effected by an AMF, and breaks line of effect, then it doesn't work.

 

[Vaxalon]

Xarlen, that's if you cast the wall of force first.

If you cast the acid cloud first, then cast wall of force to contain the PC's inside it, they're in serious trouble. This is a particularly nasty combo if the wizard is hasted and can arrange it to happen in one round.

 

[Xarlen]

I was referring to the AMF from the Beholder not having an effect.

Effects that are allready in place are fair game.

Hey, why not cast Stinking Cloud, then Acid Fog, THEN Wall of force?

That way, the spellcasters can't dispel it because they're hacking.