D&D 5E Want a better Rogue? Build a Wizard. Or why play a Rogue?

[TaranTheWanderer]

Consider this. Fly (not necessarily the spell fly), greater invisibility (you can cast spells while using both and it doesnt get rid of grwater invisibility). Racial abilities to assist. Stealth skill training. Spell glyph. Congratulations. You have a stealth bomber thay can attack from long range with impunity.

Fly and Greater invisibility are both concentration spells so you can only have one or the other. And then, you can't cast any other concentration spells.

Edit: right, not the fly spell - I should have looked at your post more closely. An akoraka (or however you spell it) can be a bomber wizard. But an Akoraka rogue can be deadly with a bow as well.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Fly and Greater invisibility are both concentration spells so you can only have one or the other. And then, you can't cast any other concentration spells.

Correct. Thats why i said not necessarily the spell fly. There are other ways to acheive flight.

And you dont need concentration. I had assume that was already something that had ti be written off. You dont need concentration to unload your payload of spell glyph hell from above.

The key to unlocking spell glyph's true potential is a minimum of one bag of holding for the record. (Or any other permanent extraplanar fixed point that you have immediate access to.)

 

[Fanaelialae]

The key to unlocking spell glyph's true potential is a minimum of one bag of holding for the record. (Or any other permanent extraplanar fixed point that you have immediate access to.)

That's extremely contingent on the DM.

IMC, the only way that would work would be something like Demiplane (which is an 8th level spell). A bag of holding or portable hole would still count as moving IMO. They are extra dimensional spaces, not fixed points in space.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Fly and Greater invisibility are both concentration spells so you can only have one or the other. And then, you can't cast any other concentration spells.

Edit: right, not the fly spell - I should have looked at your post more closely. An akoraka (or however you spell it) can be a bomber wizard. But an Akoraka rogue can be deadly with a bow as well.

Btw, i forgot to mention something. Both the wizard and the rogue if done properly can avoid fireballs decently. But i disagree that the rogue can tank them all that well.

The wizard on the other hand...can tank more fireballs than 50 rogues depending on how many spell glyphs hes made. It all depends on how many extra slots per day he keeps ending the day with. Potentially for years. Realistically this isnt gonna happen and he wouod preferably just avoidnthe fireballs. But if he MUST tank them, rest assured he will most likely have at least enough glyphs built up to tank more than the rogue.

Spell glyph is just that useful when done properly. Its insane. I would put the broadness of its usefulness on the same level as prestidigitation.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

That's extremely contingent on the DM.

IMC, the only way that would work would be something like Demiplane (which is an 8th level spell). A bag of holding or portable hole would still count as moving IMO. They are extra dimensional spaces, not fixed points in space.

the way they are described, the opening is a moving point on your own plane but the space inside is a specific one. Thats pretty well understood. And thats the only necessary part.

But your campaign is your campaign. Changing it to a moving extraplanar space would actually be a house rule though. Possibly a good one (considering what i just laid out).

 

[Dausuul]

The wizard on the other hand...can tank more fireballs than 50 rogues depending on how many spell glyphs hes made. It all depends on how many extra slots per day he keeps ending the day with.

Please stop treating absurd rules exploits as if they have any relevance to a discussion about characters in an actual game.

And disallowing this is a rules interpretation entirely consistent with RAW; it is not a house rule. Nowhere in the description of the bag of holding does it state that its interior is a fixed point. It is an extradimensional space, not a demiplane.

 

[Fanaelialae]

the way they are described, the opening is a moving point on your own plane but the space inside is a specific one. Thats pretty well understood. And thats the only necessary part.

But your campaign is your campaign. Changing it to a moving extraplanar space would actually be a house rule though. Possibly a good one (considering what i just laid out).

Bag of Holding specifically says bigger on the inside than the outside.

Portable Hole is less clear, given that it states that the cylinder exists on a different plane, but there's nothing that says the the hole is fixed in that plane. It's just as conceivable that the hole is tethered to the portable hole and therefore moves relative to its position (albeit on another plane). Just like someone on the ethereal plane could follow someone on the prime material.

It would not be a house rule. Just a ruling.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I don't find it absurd @Dausuul

And also i disagree

Im fine with that

 

[GMMichael]

The rogue will likely have a better perception, so it isn't always preferable, but the familiar is far more expendable than the rogue, which is a big plus.

Good luck finding a familiar after a comment like that.

Correct. Thats why i said not necessarily the spell fly. There are other ways to acheive flight.

Indeed there are:

Flying without Magic in D&D, or, Your Favorite Non-Pass/Fail System

Having just finished the Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it occurred to me that there is a way to fly in D&D without using magic, wings, spells, a boarding pass, or any of that other nonsense. You just have to throw yourself at the ground. And miss. If you fail to hit the ground...

www.enworld.org

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Good luck finding a familiar after a comment like that.


Indeed there are:

Flying without Magic in D&D, or, Your Favorite Non-Pass/Fail System

Having just finished the Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it occurred to me that there is a way to fly in D&D without using magic, wings, spells, a boarding pass, or any of that other nonsense. You just have to throw yourself at the ground. And miss. If you fail to hit the ground...

www.enworld.org

Lol. Throw yourself at the ground and miss. Now that really is twisting the rules arm until it spits out RAW candy.

But im not regarding what ive outlined as at all ridiculous. I assume you are saying its ridiculous. If you're not i misunderstand.