D&D General Warforged? How Long Could One Live For?

Oofta

Legend
Reason I used strenuous activity is because of risk.

Eg farming you can die in an accident.

My idea is a group of them are going out of their way to last as long as possible. In modern terms they won't cross the road due to risk of being hit by a car.

Maybe not that extreme but you get the idea.

Assuming that regular maintenance keep them going (obviously not an assumption I make) they could still have some quirks. For example, we know they have alchemical liquids coursing through their "muscles". Do they have to have their fluids changed now and then, like a car replacing their oil? How difficult is it to get those fluids, or the ingredients to make it?
 

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Staffan

Legend
They almost certainly were designed to be weapons, the question is more who designed them to be weapons. Like many things in eberron there are deliberately conflicting possibilities implied rather than having facts explicitly spelled out.

Cannith is said to have found the creation forge some where on xen'driik & eventually figured out how to get it working well enough in order to mass produce warforge forces during the Last War after early efforts producing the warforge titans & such.

The Giant empire is pretty strongly implied to have created the creation forge during their war with the Quori invading from Dal Quor (plane of dreams) at some point before or after they blew up a moon to shift the plane's orbit & eventually crumbled without the ability to recover from the war. What is not known is just how primitive the cannith warforged are compared to the ones originally built by the much more advanced & long fallen giant empire
The impression I get from the 3e material is that the Warforged as we know them were a Cannith invention – otherwise you wouldn't have had precursor versions like the Warforged Titan. But this invention incorporated elements found in Xen'drik which Cannith artificers didn't fully understand, and which explains many "undocumented features" of the Warforged such as the ghulra (the unique symbols on their foreheads), free will, and having gender despite being sexless.
 

tetrasodium

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The impression I get from the 3e material is that the Warforged as we know them were a Cannith invention – otherwise you wouldn't have had precursor versions like the Warforged Titan. But this invention incorporated elements found in Xen'drik which Cannith artificers didn't fully understand, and which explains many "undocumented features" of the Warforged such as the ghulra (the unique symbols on their foreheads), free will, and having gender despite being sexless.
Yes and no, it depends on which section of which book you look at. It's not uncommon for the same book to have multiple versions in different (sub)chapters & (sub)sections.

I just went quickly scanning a couple books (ECS, Forge of war, & secrets of Xeb'rik).. All of them talk about the creation forges & one even talks about the quori creating it. I'm sure therte are probablt other 3.5 eberron books talking about it & Keith's novelsfrom back then do too
 

MGibster

Legend
Theoretically they're immortal. Last session the players encountered a giant pike. This turned into how old are sharks. 450 million years they're older than trees. See where I'm going with this?
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die - H.P. Lovecraft

As a species, sharks are that old, but individually they don't live nearly so long. The longest living shark species currently know, the Greenland Shark, doesn't become sexually mature until they're about 150 years old and the longest living one capture was born between 1504 and 1744 (which is quite a range, so get it together scientists).

I might be mixing this up with something else, but in a Star Trek TNG episode someone asks Data about his immortality. While he's unsure how long he might live, there will come a point where his systems will fail and he will cease to exist. But then he went back in time, lost his head, which was recovered after 500 years and he wasn't any worse for wear. And even if you can repair a warforged indefinitely you run into the Warforged of Theseus problem. If you've replaced every part of the warforged is it even the same warforged?

I prefer to think Warforged aren't truly immortal. They may have the potential to live a very, very long time, but eventually the ravages of time will overtake them.

Edit: The Greenland shark born between 1504 and 1744 was captured in 2016. I feel as though that's important.
 
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Staffan

Legend
Yes and no, it depends on which section of which book you look at. It's not uncommon for the same book to have multiple versions in different (sub)chapters & (sub)sections.

I just went quickly scanning a couple books (ECS, Forge of war, & secrets of Xeb'rik).. All of them talk about the creation forges & one even talks about the quori creating it. I'm sure therte are probablt other 3.5 eberron books talking about it & Keith's novelsfrom back then do too
It's more a matter of nuance. It's not like Cannith found a fully functioning creation forge down in Xen'drik and used it to start churning out Warforged. They* found something there that had been used to make something similar to Warforged and used it to bootstrap their own R&D, without fully understanding all aspects of it. I see it as akin to the situation in Terminator 2 (minus the time travel aspect), where Cyberdyne Systems had acquired a chip from the T-800 sent back to kill Sarah Connor, and were working on reverse-engineering the tech. They couldn't just take that chip and make Skynet right away, they had to figure out what the heck it was and what it was doing first.

* Or other explorers who then sold the info to Cannith, which amounts to the same thing.
 

Richards

Legend
I came here to say the same thing. Designed to cease functioning after a set number of years.
Planned obsolescence, the bane of my existence. (What do you mean "you no longer support that model of printer"? It works perfectly fine, if you'd keep making ink cartridges for it! Grumble grumble grumble....)

Johnathan
 

If you can, why can't you do that with a biological entity as well?
In D&D, you can, it's just it requires a lot of magic. Presumably given Warforged are created with magic, and have some a "organic" components (not a term that means much, admittedly - it could just mean certain chemical structures - indeed contextually that seems quite plausible) some magic would also be needed to long-term maintain Warforged, but probably far, far less dramatic magic than with a conventionally alive being. It's also more likely Warforged could have some simple "procedural" way to to keep going. Like a "maintenance forge" or something (presumably a creation forge could do this). But if they lost access to those maintenance methods, presumably they'd eventually get so broken as to be basically non-functional, or have to change to some highly... alternative... methods which could get kind of exciting in sort of Promethean way.

The "ship of Theseus" factor could be interesting here.
 

Planned obsolescence, the bane of my existence. (What do you mean "you no longer support that model of printer"? It works perfectly fine, if you'd keep making ink cartridges for it! Grumble grumble grumble....)

Johnathan
This is a common thing in modern military procurement too - very contrary to in the 20th century, increasing numbers of machines used by modern Western militaries (or generally developed in the West) are designed to have short lifetimes before they require significant parts replacement, and those parts can only be replaced not by military-employed engineers, but civilian contractors who the companies who make the parts extremely expensively contract out to the militaries who bought their vehicles, weapons, etc.

I don't think that is likely how things work right now or even in the past in Eberron, but one could easily seen a Bladerunner-esque scenario with future Warforged, or Warforged in a different setting, where they have parts that intentionally need replacement within single-digit years, and have to be replaced by an appropriately-trained and contracted guild/company artificer or the like, leading to desperation among Warforged, especially those who have broken away from their owners (I suspect there are quite a few SF novels with similar plotlines).
 

Oofta

Legend
In D&D, you can, it's just it requires a lot of magic. Presumably given Warforged are created with magic, and have some a "organic" components (not a term that means much, admittedly - it could just mean certain chemical structures - indeed contextually that seems quite plausible) some magic would also be needed to long-term maintain Warforged, but probably far, far less dramatic magic than with a conventionally alive being. It's also more likely Warforged could have some simple "procedural" way to to keep going. Like a "maintenance forge" or something (presumably a creation forge could do this). But if they lost access to those maintenance methods, presumably they'd eventually get so broken as to be basically non-functional, or have to change to some highly... alternative... methods which could get kind of exciting in sort of Promethean way.

The "ship of Theseus" factor could be interesting here.

Sure, with magic you can rejuvenate someone. That's just kind of a given, so to me it doesn't really factor in here. So I still say it just depends on how long you want them to last. 🤷‍♂️

Of course if they were built by Apple, after a few years they would still technically work. They'd just slow down immensely and need to rest far more often to the point where they aren't particularly useful anymore. ;)
 

It is based on the operating system.
If they rely on a Unix-Linux system they are almost immortal.
If the rely on Windows, macOS or more modern system, they have a programmed doomsday.
 

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