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Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay vs Warhammer Age of Sigmar Roleplay

Mercador

Explorer
Hello, am I reading correctly, is there two TTRPG based on Warhammer Fantasy ? Or the Age of Sigmar one is just for minis? If there's two settings, which one is closer to Total War Warhammers ? Thanks!
 

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TheSword

Legend
Hello, am I reading correctly, is there two TTRPG based on Warhammer Fantasy ? Or the Age of Sigmar one is just for minis? If there's two settings, which one is closer to Total War Warhammers ? Thanks!
There really are two completely different games and settings with some cross overs in names and a couple of characters but really not much at all.

The Old World is a gritty Grimdark, Holy-Roman empire, low magic setting. The game is very similar to the 1st and 2nd editions of the same game. The setting is very similar. This is the exact world described in Total Warhammer to be honest, very few lore changes (though the timeline in TW is slightly advanced of the current 4e). Fans like the politics, the corrupt nobles, the cults, the mutants in the dark forests. How recognizable the world is.

Age of Sigmar (I’m gonna try very hard to be impartial here) is based on the universe if the Chaos Gods won and destroyed the universe. However Sigmar and the other avatars of the 8 winds of magic rebuild the universe but thousands of year later. It’s based on 8 different realms which are themed around the 8 winds. So there is a realm of the heavens where Sigmar lives, one of death which is full of undead etc. There are cities in these realms where normal people live too. Most of the races from the Old World have survived in some form. Though many have been changed. All link to a HRE inspired empire is gone and the world is like the old world dialed you to 1000%. Fans like the originality.

[Edit: Okay I can’t help it… Long live the Old World!]
 
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Mercador

Explorer
Well, then I prefer the former. I guess Zweihander is also based on the former.

The way you described it, it's like AoS is the Fantasy version of WH40K.

I'm trying to find lore on Total War Warhammer and stumble unto this, I was a bit surprised to see two core rulebooks from the same universe but totally different. From what I gather, they wanted to redo minis as well so it could explain the end times ?
 

Crusadius

Explorer
I think Zweihander is based of WFRP 1E and/or 2E' system but a completely different setting. I think the developer had intentions to get the WFRP license to publish but was not successful so published the system with a "numbers scraped off plus new terminology" setting. If you're looking for something Warhammer-y but not WFRP you couldn't go wrong looking at Zweihander.

I would describe Age of Sigmar: Soulbound as a mix of WFRP and Exalted. It has a lot of setting stuff from WFRP but characters are meant to be awesome like Exalted. You also are correct in comparing to WH40K - the AOS Stormcast Eternals are basically Space Marines.
 

MGibster

Legend
[Edit: Okay I can’t help it… Long live the Old World!]
I much prefer the Old World as well and was a little upset when they cancelled it. But I had to cut GW some slack given that I wasn't playing WH Fantasy at the time and I was unlikely to pick it up any time soon. GW has lot more freedom to work in AoS and they're putting out more interesting miniatures than they are for 40k in my opinion. Though I still miss the Old World.
 

TheSword

Legend
Well, then I prefer the former. I guess Zweihander is also based on the former.

The way you described it, it's like AoS is the Fantasy version of WH40K.

I'm trying to find lore on Total War Warhammer and stumble unto this, I was a bit surprised to see two core rulebooks from the same universe but totally different. From what I gather, they wanted to redo minis as well so it could explain the end times ?
I think there were a few reasons. They wanted to protect IP by having a property that was cut off from its inspirational roots. You can’t sue someone for using the name ‘The Empire’ or ‘Dwarf’.

They weren’t selling Fantasy as well as 40k, so instead of investing some time and effort into it they decided to nuke the setting and sell a lot of ‘grand finale’ models. This worked but kinda just showed if they’d put their efforts into the models in the first place they would have been more successful.

They felt constrained by the existing world and wanted to expand it to something more fantastical. Which is a shame because they could easily have had realm gates leading to the homes of the Avatars of the Winds pop up all over the normal Old World, without destroying it.

They wanted to end the cycle of ever present threat of chaos which they found couldn’t advance the story line (not the main reason I think that this is incidental). However the ever present threat of destruction is one of the things that gives the old world its style.

The old world is awesome and while Total Warhammer is bringing it to a whole new generation and has expanded the world and the lore, Cubicle 7’s WFRP 4e is giving it a lot of detail. I’d give it a go. Zweihander is just a spin off of 2e, without the release schedule. It’s a bit locked in time. I’d give the new edition a look first.
 


I think Zweihander is based of WFRP 1E and/or 2E' system but a completely different setting. I think the developer had intentions to get the WFRP license to publish but was not successful so published the system with a "numbers scraped off plus new terminology" setting. If you're looking for something Warhammer-y but not WFRP you couldn't go wrong looking at Zweihander.
He never mentioned such where I could see at the time he was doing dev on it.
It was a case of he didn't like 3rd, and did like parts of 1st and 2nd, so hybridized. (I might still have the playtest copy on a drive around her...)
He may have later tried to get the license for 4th... but IIRC, he announced after 3rd was already assigned and announced to be leaving the d100 behind....
My friends playing Zweihänder have all tried WFRP 4th, and want to return to Zweihänder.
 

Crusadius

Explorer
He never mentioned such where I could see at the time he was doing dev on it.
It was a case of he didn't like 3rd, and did like parts of 1st and 2nd, so hybridized. (I might still have the playtest copy on a drive around her...)
He may have later tried to get the license for 4th... but IIRC, he announced after 3rd was already assigned and announced to be leaving the d100 behind....
My friends playing Zweihänder have all tried WFRP 4th, and want to return to Zweihänder.
I'm likely wrong with the timing. Now that you mention it the attempt could have been after FFG lost the license.
 

MGibster

Legend
They weren’t selling Fantasy as well as 40k, so instead of investing some time and effort into it they decided to nuke the setting and sell a lot of ‘grand finale’ models. This worked but kinda just showed if they’d put their efforts into the models in the first place they would have been more successful.
Fantasy skewed towards an older audience many of whom were essentially done purchasing models. i.e. Even the hard core players who owned 2 or 3 armies weren't likely to pick up many more models in the future. I honestly don't know if just coming up with new models would have attracted a lot of new players to WH Fantasy. I don't think it would have attracted younger players and the older players likely wouldn't have bought new models both because they already had a ton of them and the newer ones wouldn't match their older ones in aesthetics. It was a ballsy calculated move on their part knowing they would alienate long term fans with the goal of attracting newer younger fans and it worked.

I tend to agree. As a fan of lizardmen, I found the shift from lizardmen lore to the seraphon lore in AoS to be a real head-scratcher.
I've never been huge on lore when it comes to my war games and I tend to select my factions primarily on the ones I think look the coolest. After all, I will be spending far more time painting my models than I will using them for any game. That said, one of the Seraphon boxed sets was the very first thing I purchased for AoS. I recently purchased the Dominion boxed set and had a lot of fun painting my Stormcast models but I didn't particularly care for the Kruelboyz. The models look cool but I much prefer the goofy malevolence of old school orks.

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Mercador

Explorer
The old world is awesome and while Total Warhammer is bringing it to a whole new generation and has expanded the world and the lore, Cubicle 7’s WFRP 4e is giving it a lot of detail. I’d give it a go. Zweihander is just a spin off of 2e, without the release schedule. It’s a bit locked in time. I’d give the new edition a look first.
I have already Zweihander and I quite like it. But I was looking for more TW:W lore so if WFRP 4e can help with that, I'll gladfully purchase it.
 

TheSword

Legend
I have already Zweihander and I quite like it. But I was looking for more TW:W lore so if WFRP 4e can help with that, I'll gladfully purchase it.
They have done a sourcebook on Altdorf and one on Middenheim, both are really good.

They have also a lot of detail on Ubersreik in the starter set.

Archives of the Empire also looks at Dwarves, Elves and halflings.

All 3 are very good sourcebooks.
 

Mercador

Explorer
They have done a sourcebook on Altdorf and one on Middenheim, both are really good.

They have also a lot of detail on Ubersreik in the starter set.

Archives of the Empire also looks at Dwarves, Elves and halflings.

All 3 are very good sourcebooks.
I've also saw a Ubersreik adventures book, like 6 or 7 adventures in one hardcover. But all of those seems to be limited to the Empire and on my side, I'm searching stuff on the High Elves as I want to do Mortal Empires with them.
 

TheSword

Legend
I've also saw a Ubersreik adventures book, like 6 or 7 adventures in one hardcover. But all of those seems to be limited to the Empire and on my side, I'm searching stuff on the High Elves as I want to do Mortal Empires with them.
You won’t find High Elf stuff in WFRP of any edition. The RPG sticks with the empire and its neighboring kingdoms. Army books and novels are your best bet for elfy stuff.

The only elf stuff of detail in WFRP 4e is the kingdom of Laurelorn.
 




pogre

Legend
Ok, they want to both settings go on?
If I understand your question - there will be lore for Age of Sigmar, WFRP 4e, and WFB - they are all set at different times and slightly different as I understand it. However, WFB should be much, much closer to 4e lore.
 

Mercador

Explorer
If I understand your question - there will be lore for Age of Sigmar, WFRP 4e, and WFB - they are all set at different times and slightly different as I understand it. However, WFB should be much, much closer to 4e lore.
Sorry, English isn't my native language, sometimes I had difficulties to write correctly my ideas.

As I had understood it initially, AoS was a total rebranding of Warhammer, that way they had better controls over IP, naming, etc. I wasn't expecting they would ALSO redo the Old World as well? Or maybe they noticed that old fans were more fans of the old setting than the new.

It feels like if Paizo decided to restart doing Pathfinder 1E stuff.
 


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