Was I a RBGM?
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Also, while I can understand your justification, I don't entirely agree with it.
Okay, I'm a hunter. An evil hunter. And I want these goblins to die. So I... shoot one of them in hopes that the goblins will then decide to fight the PCs? Thinking that the PCs, who are standing there making peaceful talk without any sign of readied weapons, are the people to attack with your full forces is pretty silly, and having them decide to attack the PCs when an arrow flies in and hits a goblin from the forest is, uh, a bit obvious as a railroad.
It'd be another matter if the PCs were asked to wait and walk in the woods while the shaman talks with the other goblin leaders, and then the hunter kills a few goblins and then makes some noise to attract the goblin shaman, who sees the PCs standing over the bodies of dead goblin children. That's a feasible attempt to frame them. But this seems forced. As a player, I'd be wondering why the goblins didn't just put us under guard while sending scouts to deal with the attack, given that the PCs didn't leap out and decapitate people as soon as the first arrow was fired.
Because, really, a single arrow attack as an ambush in these situations is going to result in what in terms of the goblin reaction: "Aha, they were lulling us into a false sense of security before unleashing their barrage of, uh, a single arrow shot from the woods, after cleverly getting everyone else, including their ranged-attack people and defenseless-in-melee-combat wizard people right up into our midst!"
Okay, I'm a hunter. An evil hunter. And I want these goblins to die. So I... shoot one of them in hopes that the goblins will then decide to fight the PCs? Thinking that the PCs, who are standing there making peaceful talk without any sign of readied weapons, are the people to attack with your full forces is pretty silly, and having them decide to attack the PCs when an arrow flies in and hits a goblin from the forest is, uh, a bit obvious as a railroad.
It'd be another matter if the PCs were asked to wait and walk in the woods while the shaman talks with the other goblin leaders, and then the hunter kills a few goblins and then makes some noise to attract the goblin shaman, who sees the PCs standing over the bodies of dead goblin children. That's a feasible attempt to frame them. But this seems forced. As a player, I'd be wondering why the goblins didn't just put us under guard while sending scouts to deal with the attack, given that the PCs didn't leap out and decapitate people as soon as the first arrow was fired.
Because, really, a single arrow attack as an ambush in these situations is going to result in what in terms of the goblin reaction: "Aha, they were lulling us into a false sense of security before unleashing their barrage of, uh, a single arrow shot from the woods, after cleverly getting everyone else, including their ranged-attack people and defenseless-in-melee-combat wizard people right up into our midst!"
palleomortis
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TheEvil said:
Y'all. DEFINATLY, y'all. No language quite like this one we call english, is there.
(P.S. Small Town People RULE!)squat45 said:
If this is, in fact, your habit as a DM (and not just your opinion on this particular scenario) then I strongly encourage you to look at Patryn's post #31. Sure, it's a very strongly worded rant from a player perspective but I think the frustration he's expressing is definitely worth taking into account when you consider your DMing style on this issue.
Yup, -5 from Distraction and, what, -6 for being 60 feet away? A -11, assuming base concealment/cover for the attacker. Of course, he could be in armor, and he might not have wonderful ranks in Hide -- and for low-level characters, an interesting roll could still have had him seen by somebody.
If I'm in this game, and I have a character with max'd ranks, Alertness, and Skill Focus:Spot, I've just learned that my skill ranks and feats only apply when the DM wants them to apply. Now, the likelihood of someone having all that stuff is pretty small, but it's possible.
If I'm in this game, and I have a character with max'd ranks, Alertness, and Skill Focus:Spot, I've just learned that my skill ranks and feats only apply when the DM wants them to apply. Now, the likelihood of someone having all that stuff is pretty small, but it's possible.
TheAuldGrump
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And don't forget that the goblins have a chance of noticing as well.
And I don't know about your game, but if the goblin leader has bodyguards then in my game at least some of them are keeping an eye on the perimeter so are not as distracted as the others.
I honestly think that Squat45 came here looking for confirmation not criticism, but well... his player has the right of it.
The Auld Grump
And I don't know about your game, but if the goblin leader has bodyguards then in my game at least some of them are keeping an eye on the perimeter so are not as distracted as the others.
I honestly think that Squat45 came here looking for confirmation not criticism, but well... his player has the right of it.
The Auld Grump
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