Watchmen, Dresden, and Carnivale

Jack7

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Usually, I get very little time to watch television or see films. But it being the holiday weekend I got the chance to see a few things I've been wanting to see for awhile now but didn't previously have the opportunity.


Watchmen - It wasn't nearly as bad as I suspected it might be. I even enjoyed it. Yes, it was comic-bookish and the plot was not particularly well developed in the film in comparison to the Graphic Novel but it was a well enough developed film in its own right. And yes the politics were silly, incredibly unrealistic, and comic bookish too, as is almost always the case with comic book materials, but given the source I thought it was a pretty good tale on the level of the individual character (especially as regards Manhattan and Adrian, whom I really thought I wouldn't like beforehand) and liked it for that. But for love of Red Skelton, I wish though that comic book writers and film-makers alike would stop already with the 5th grade juvenile American Empire/Dystopia/Utopia Hippie-squiggly/porky-piggly in first deep doe-eyed puppy love with the failed throwback Sixties (even in a series set in the Eighties they gotta go back to the Sixties, like the Seventies weren't bad enough or like the world first arose in that mostly stupid, backwards, febrile, misguided era) sea of moss green catfish crap they so often love to swim in. Man, what do most of them get their visions of the world and history from nothing more than other comic books? Even when they write anti-comic-book comic books (excuse me Graphic Novels) that's about the extent of their "prophetic visions" of the present and future.

That's the big joke? Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In set to guys who keep bringing knuckle busted kung-fu fists and face-masks to machine gun-fights? Yeah, I guess it's funny enough if you never bother to look behind the curtain. No wonder though they're still writing comic books about guys who still get into hand to hand fist fights as grown men yet somehow never get punch drunk, and about guys who get belted by lethal doses of radiation and yet still somehow magically turn into men who can bend iron and read minds. No wonder they fall for the things they fall for.

The Dresden Files - I gotta say, seeing as how the Dresden Files are about the most enjoyable modern fantasy books I read, and sometimes (though not always) not a bad set of Dick stories, I really enjoyed this first season. Yeah, things were changed around, sometimes significantly, and I could not imagine Dresden at all as he appeared and was sometimes portrayed in the series in comparison to the books, but the series was enjoyable enough in and of itself that I didn't really care. I thought the woman playing Murphy was a looker, and I thought the television series in and of itself was sufficiently good to stand alone. Without being a perfect representation of the books. (I'm not a fanboy of anything much anyways, I'd rather something be good than merely accurate, if that's the only two choices I got.) I can't understand why Sci-Fi (excuse me, Sy-Fy) dropped it in comparison to the load of swill they often put out on the airwaves on a regular basis. But then again I'm not a big network honcho making the really tough calls between the Dresden Files and Mega-Shark/Giant Octopus. Or whatever that thing was I saw being made fun of on The Soup. Maybe Battlestar Galactica drained the aluminum thinking cap the Execs share during developmental season of all their spare Cylon brain-juice. So they do what they can with what they got left to work with I reckon...

In any case I thought that the early episodes of Season One (and I suppose it never made it past season 2) reminded me a lot of Brimstone (which I always thought was too good for TV anyways - the first time I saw it at the recommendation of a buddy, he asked me what I thought of it, and I said, "it won't last long Scott, it's way too good for TV"). Which as I generally make it in my book is high praise for about any show. A little later it also began to remind me of the X-Files (also not bad as far as TV goes). It had just started to get its own legs when I guess they killed it. No good show goes untimely ripped from the womb of great potential I guess. Or something like that.

Carnivale - This thing, which I had never seen before (we don't got HBO, and I don't want it, but every now and again I hear tell they make something decent) was easy on my eyes. I like this kinda thing myself and to tell the truth I've ordered more of it. Gonna watch the whole first season eventually. The jacket said it was made in 2004. But the disc info said the second season was made in 2007. Odd to be sure, if that's true. But the thing was weird enough to have been scripted in one of my dreams. So I ain't exactly complaining. And if it stays as good as the first two episodes I saw (or gets even better) then to me that's all psychological honey pie. And everybody likes honey pie. Though she can drive you a little crazy every now and then.

Speaking of likeable, I also really liked the Tarot Card intro. Very original and stimulating.
I liked the attention to detail too. I'm looking forwards to more of this.

Well, that's how I been Mediarized lately.
It weren't exactly curing cancer mind ya, but it was enjoyable enough to kill a few spare off-hours.
 
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I liked the first season of Carnivale quite a bit; the second season felt a bit more forced, but was still generally good. I love the look and feel of the series, and the characters were simply amazing. Some particulars of the plot lost me, but I would have loved to have seen the full proposed six seasons, just to see it all play out. Sadly, I doubt is any more will ever be made.

Watchmen was pretty good -- as you said, not as bad as anticipated, but not as good as the graphic novel (which is a rare instance in my book). I doubt I'll go out and buy it, but it was certainly worth watching.

As for The Dresden Files... my problem was that I had read and loved the Harry Dresden books for several years prior to the series coming out. In the series, Harry himself felt pretty good ... but most other the other characters got under my skin just because they were son wrong. The one that annoyed me the most was Morgan -- in the books he is an executioner, a hard-bitten guy who sounds like he is an ex-Marine who never fully left the Corps and is simply looking for an opportunity to whack Harry once and for all; in the show, he is suave, debonair, and snake-like -- far too much of a change for me. Then again, Susan and Murph suffered similar jarring changes. **sigh** There was great potential there, but it was pretty much lost -- a huge (for books) fanbase to drawn on, but with few exceptions the fans hated the show and due to odd editing decisions (such as chopping the pilot down to fit into the standard 50-minute hour timeframe, thus losing large elements of the plot) the show never developed fans beyond those who had read the books. Sorta shot itself in the foot on all counts there.
 

I really liked Carnavale....warning to those going to watch the whole two seasons: it ends on quite the cliffhanger and there is no third season...
I loved the characters and the story. They also seemed to be very faithful to the time period of the great depression. Overall I wish they had let it play out at least one more season.
I was one of the rare Dresdon book fans that liked the show. I thought Harry was pretty spot on, and I thought the TV version of Bob much better than the book version. Making him a cursed spirit wizard allowed for a much cooler character than a wise-ass elemental. I liked the TV version of Murph on the show, but wow was she different than the book version. Overall I liked the books and the show and could keep them separate, and was sad when the show got the axe.
haven't seen Watchman yet, so no comment there.
 
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but I would have loved to have seen the full proposed six seasons, just to see it all play out. Sadly, I doubt is any more will ever be made.

Well durnit Wombie, that's another one too good for television I reckon. And that's a real shame.


and I thought the TV version of Bob much better than the book version. Making him a cursed spirit wizard allowed for a much cooler character than a wise-ass elemental. I liked the TV version of Murph on the show, but wow was she different than the book version.

I'm with you Blasty. Bob rocked on the show. He was actually the best character in the thing.
And Murph was different. For one thing she was even more of an anal hard ass in some ways. But still she looked good, so I could get over the other stuff in time.

warning to those going to watch the whole two seasons: it ends on quite the cliffhanger and there is no third season...

Now that just plain out sucks and HBO shouldn't really be doing that to a fella.
I'd write my congressman 'ceptin I hate Congress a lot more than I hate HBO.
 
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I loved the Watchmen. There is always something lost in a translation from books (graphic or otherwise) to film, but for what it was I thought the film was very good.
 

With regards to Carnivale, you can look around the web as Knauf has talked about some of what would happen to certain characters, and what certain themes were about. I think even Wikipedia has some of that information.

Carnivale was a very high-concept show, and that was its undoing. I loved the show, and I still had parts where I basically said WTF to myself. Reading Knauf's notes on the overall themes didn't really improve it all too much. I think the show meandered much too long before getting to where it needed to be to sustain the show's overall concept. To me, the second season didn't feel forced, as much as it did directed in a certain direction.

Watchmen was okay; I wasn't particularly wow-ed by it. Then again, I'm not a mega-fan of the graphic novel either. It's certainly an excellent work, but it's not the end-all be-all of comics. I do think the comic book worked better, but I thought they did a decent job of putting it on the big screen.

It's been so long since I've seen The Dresden Files that I can't really comment beyond liking it. I've never read the books though.
 


But for love of Red Skelton, I wish though that comic book writers and film-makers alike would stop already with the 5th grade juvenile American Empire/Dystopia/Utopia Hippie-squiggly/porky-piggly in first deep doe-eyed puppy love with the failed throwback Sixties

I cannot speak for other comic books or movie adaptations of same. However, if that's what you thought Moore was doing... well, you didn't get the same thing I did out of the book. Your statement is so strong that I severely doubt that I'd be able to convince you otherwise, so I will not attempt to do so. Suffice to say, I disagree with this characterization of the work.
 

I cannot speak for other comic books or movie adaptations of same. However, if that's what you thought Moore was doing... well, you didn't get the same thing I did out of the book. Your statement is so strong that I severely doubt that I'd be able to convince you otherwise, so I will not attempt to do so. Suffice to say, I disagree with this characterization of the work.

No Umbran, I wasn't talking about Moore in particular in this case. I don't have a lot of time to discuss in detail what I meant, not that it's all that important anyways, but generally I was just generalizing about the comic book industry as a whole (though not everyone in particular). I wasn't even talking about the GN Watchmen in this case. Just the film. But I could have worded that better and more specifically.

I'll do that sometimes in informal writing. Mix in general statements with specific statements. It's a bad habit, which I usually do out of writing in a hurry.


Maybe you should stick to reviewing the stuff you're reviewing and leave the social commentary for... some other venue.

I assume Hobo, though I could be wrong, you were talking about what I said about my congressmen. Actually I said that sorta jokingly. I got a Senator I don't care much for, but then again the other is a good friend of mine. And a few reps I don't like much but then again, who doesn't? But joking about Congress is old hat. Take Davey Crockett for instance. He'd rather go to Texas than Congress. I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I understand the sentiment.

If you were talking about something else then just forget all that. If you were talking about the same quote as Umbran, that's just a guess, then it seems pointless to not talk about the very thing the GN was intentioanlly talking about, social and political conditions. After all the work wasn't about Supermen on Mars, but about human and American society and politics.
That to me is like saying "review the Iliad, just don't talk about Greek or Trojan society when you do it." Well, Greek and Trojan society, politics, and war is what the thing is about. Without that you don't have a review and all that's left to analyze is military tactics. I personally don't ignore things like that just because others might get upset. Then again it doesn't matter to me personally that you, or anyone else, disagree with my analysis. That's why you have your opinion and I got mine. So I'm not gonna take it personally if you disagree with me.

Then again maybe you thought I was violating some forum policy, or close to it, and you were giving me some kinda warning to try and keep me outta trouble on this one. I don't know, but if that was your motivation, then thanks. I appreciate it. If the moderators wanna slap me on this one though, it's okay, it's their forum and I can take it.

Well, I hope I covered all the possible bases. But I gotta get back to work now. See ya.

But I still hate Congress by the way. Just as a matter of SOP.
 

I don't really understand your complaints about Watchmen. It was written in the mid-80s, before the fall of the Soviet Union. So looking looking back at the 60s seems pretty reasonable to me. That would have been a formative decade for most of the characters.
 

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