We Are Defenders of the Night, We Are Gargoyles! [Recruitment Closed]

[Guest 11456]

Ogre : Large Gargoyle Barbarian

Relocated to the Rogue's Gallery.

 

[Necro_Kinder]

Ok. I have scratched out a basic character but I'm having some problems.

1) We have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat as a bonus feat. Why? If it's to improve the damage we do with our natural attacks, it should be the Improved Natural Attack (Claw) or (Bite) feat.

2) I am making a Two Weapon Fighting Ranger, but Natural Attacks are not counted in TWF. However, Unarmed Strikes are. Would it be possible to just use TWF for his Claws, and still take the full -5 penalty for his Bite? Or alternately, would it be possible to just substitute TWF with Multi Attack, and then Improved Multi Attack?

3) Are there any other differences between the size of Gargoyles other than the stat bonuses? Are small Gargoyles actually Size Small? Are large Gargoyles Size Large? If so, do they receive the bonus/penalty to hide and their attack bonus and armor class?

4) We have no Fly speed? Nothing wrong rules wise, just a question. I was looking to use Fly-By-Attack and some other flying feats.

Not to complain, I'm looking forward to this game

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Tailspinner, please cross-post your character into the Rogue's Gallery.

 

[Angel Tarragon]

1) We have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat as a bonus feat. Why? If it's to improve the damage we do with our natural attacks, it should be the Improved Natural Attack (Claw) or (Bite) feat.

Imp Unarmed Strike makes your natural attacks deadly, when otherwise they wouldn't be. Without Imp Unarmed Strike you'd be dealing only non-lethal damage with your natural attacks.

2) I am making a Two Weapon Fighting Ranger, but Natural Attacks are not counted in TWF. However, Unarmed Strikes are. Would it be possible to just use TWF for his Claws, and still take the full -5 penalty for his Bite? Or alternately, would it be possible to just substitute TWF with Multi Attack, and then Improved Multi Attack?

NOt sure about this one. I'm going to cross-post this into the rules forum to get a detailed response

3) Are there any other differences between the size of Gargoyles other than the stat bonuses? Are small Gargoyles actually Size Small? Are large Gargoyles Size Large? If so, do they receive the bonus/penalty to hide and their attack bonus and armor class?

Yes, size category chosen, reflects exactly how tall your character can be. Small gargoyles can't be any larger than 4 feet; medium gargs up to 8 feet; large gargs up to 16 feet. See page 314 in the MM; Table 7-1; dimension entry.

4) We have no Fly speed? Nothing wrong rules wise, just a question. I was looking to use Fly-By-Attack and some other flying feats.

If you'll remember correctly from the animated series, the gargoyles could only glide on updrafts. They also seemed to cover a lot of distance rather quickly. It is unfeasible from that that they'd actually be able to do anything else when gliding, as it took most of their conscious effort.

However, this is set in Greyhawk and not the modern world. I'm going to work up a spell for you that'll let you convert half your glide speed to fly speed; that is if you are interested. It'll be a second level ranger spell.

 

[Guest 11456]

Imp Unarmed Strike makes your natural attacks deadly, when otherwise they wouldn't be. Without Imp Unarmed Strike you'd be dealing only non-lethal damage with your natural attacks.

I believe that natural weapons are different from unarmed strikes. Natural weapons deal lethal damage always.


Questions:
1. How do you want to handle Hit Points? Roll? Half? Three-quarters?

2. I dodn't see anything about gold or treasure. Do we get starting gold and/or treasure?

 

[Shayuri]

If the "humanoid" hasn't been filled yet, I've -always- wanted to play a Master of Many Forms.

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Questions:
1. How do you want to handle Hit Points? Roll? Half? Three-quarters?

2. I dodn't see anything about gold or treasure. Do we get starting gold and/or treasure?

1. 3/4

2. Not sure about this one. Let me do some research.

 

[Necro_Kinder]

Yes, size category chosen, reflects exactly how tall your character can be. Small gargoyles can't be any larger than 4 feet; medium gargs up to 8 feet; large gargs up to 16 feet. See page 314 in the MM; Table 7-1; dimension entry.

Shouldn't this mean that Large Gargoyles will deal 2d6 damage with their claws and 1d8 damage with their Bite automatically? And then Small would deal 1d6 Damage with claws and 1d4 with their bite? Or for some reason are our natural attacks all the same size?

 

[Angel Tarragon]

If the "humanoid" hasn't been filled yet, I've -always- wanted to play a Master of Many Forms.

Welcome aboard Shayuri. Go ahead a make a character.

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Shouldn't this mean that Large Gargoyles will deal 2d6 damage with their claws and 1d8 damage with their Bite automatically? And then Small would deal 1d6 Damage with claws and 1d4 with their bite? Or for some reason are our natural attacks all the same size?

I wanted to avoid scaling damage for bite and claw, so no.