OGL We might want to start saving Websites

Solauren

Explorer
It occurs to me that a new OGL might be problematic for some websites, or sections of them.
So, they might take those sections down to avoid headaches (if not close up all together).

For example, discuss forms where people post custom D&D Content, Fan-websites and the like.

So, I'm making a list of websites I am planning to download/update my copy of as a 'just in case'.
If that occurs, I'll look into putting them online on places like Mega, or even via Torrents

Here is the list below of websites I have book marked that are still active.
If anyone can think of websites that should be saved, please add them.

Please note - with Discussion forms, it would just be the sections with custom D&D/D20/Pathfinder 1e/related content. I suppose I could do 4e and 5e as well, even if I don't personally use them.

http://alternaterealmsblog.wordpress.com/
http://aonprd.com/
http://bardessplace.blogspot.com/
http://blog.aulddragon.com/monster-mythology-update/
http://creaturespotlight.blogspot.com/
http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://dnd-wiki.org
http://dungeonmasterblock.freeforums.net/
http://dungeons.wikia.com
http://dungeonswithdragons.wordpress.com/
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com
http://forgottenrealmsforever.wikia.com
http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com
http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/
http://frc.proboards.com/
http://gbttb.obsidianportal.com/wikis/main-page
http://ghwiki.greyparticle.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://index.rpg.net/
http://lauranastlas.proboards.com/
http://manysideddice.com/2015/03/10/a-table-of-contents-thats-better-than-nothing/
http://melkot.com/
http://mimir.net
http://minmaxforum.com/
http://oerthjournal.blogspot.com/
http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/
http://onlinedungeonmaster.com/
http://orkerhulen.dk/Material1.html
http://paizo.com/
http://pandius.com
http://paratime.ca/
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Pathfinder_release_calendar
http://richten.tripod.com/
http://rpggeek.com/
http://sulerin.com/
http://tgdmb.com/
http://thefatefulforce.com/
http://therpgenius.pbworks.com/
http://www.adnddownloads.com/main.php
https://www.accum.se/~stradh/dnd/mirror/Ezra/books/olear/ADnD/NetBooks.html
https://and-mag.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/Palcadon/Library.html
http://www.athas.org/
http://www.bastionpress.com/
http://www.birthright.net/
http://www.candlekeep.com/
http://www.canonfire.com/
http://www.dandwiki.com/
http://www.dnd.kismetrose.com
http://www.dndadventure.com/
http://www.dndspeak.com/
http://www.dragonsfoot.org/
http://www.eilistraee.com/
http://www.enworld.org/
http://www.fraternityofshadows.com
http://www.geocities.ws/edymnionii/
http://www.giantitp.com
http://www.istari.org/gnba/
http://www.kargatane.com/
http://www.koboldpress.com/
http://www.livingforgottenrealms.com/
http://www.lpjdesign.com/
http://www.obsidianportal.com/
http://www.padnd.com/
http://www.pandius.com/
http://www.pathfindercommunity.net
http://www.planewalker.com/
http://www.realmshelps.net
http://www.rpg.net/
http://www.rpg-resource.org.uk
http://www.ruemere.com/scarredlands/
http://www.spelljammer.org/
http://www.therpgsite.com/
http://www.thetangledweb.net
http://www.undermountain.org/forums/
http://www.ysolde.ucam.org/wiki/shadow?ShadowWiki
https://dragonlancenexus.com/
https://forum.rpg.net
https://www.acaeum.com
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/dicefreaks/
https://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/index.php

Added:
http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/
https://www.d20srd.org/
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/

Added (Jan 26):
https://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/srd/
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Websites are definitely 'in the air' when it comes to the new OGL, as they aren't printed or static media.

However, most websites do not use the OGL. If a website doesn't use the OGL (such as this forum) then it's not affected by any changes to the OGL. This forum ain't goiing anywhere.

Sites like online SRDs and the like are more vulnerable, as they explicitly do use the OGL.
 



Do you really think the higher ups will care if they think they can make money suing people?

This is a wide jump... no. Currently I don't think so. WotC is backpaddeling.

On the other hand, some websites are a bit stretching fair use anyway. So even if they sued, I can't blame them.
 

Do you really think the higher ups will care if they think they can make money suing people?
There's nothing to stop them from suing people not using the OGL now. Or even people who do use the OGL for that matter. It's all a matter of how likely they are to try and how likely they are to succeed.

Basically, if you think WotC's likely to go all Nintendo on websites and start sending the Cs and the Ds, then the best time to back up material you might want was yesterday, because they will be no more vulnerable with the OGL change if it goes through than they are if it doesn't.

To put things in perspective, WotC at one point in time put a lot of old TSR books up for free download, but have since taken them down (mostly to sell them on DriveThruRPG). You can still find them for download on legitimate non-piracy sites (not mentioning which ones for obvious reasons), and there's no way WotC isn't aware of it, yet they haven't been taken down. And that's not fan content, but honest to goodness copyrighted material that WotC indisputably owns.

My guess, unless it's perceived as "competition," WotC isn't going to do anything because it'll cause more backlash than it's worth. The whole reason they're willing to brave the backlash on the OGL is because they think they'll come out ahead.

But again, nothing wrong with making backups as a precaution in any case.
 

Jer

Legend
Supporter
Do you really think the higher ups will care if they think they can make money suing people?
So back in the 90s TSR threatened to do exactly this sort of thing. They sent out cease and desist letters to fan sites all over the internet to tell them to take down material that infringed on their copyrights. And they weren't talking about copies of their published work, they were talking about anything that discussed D&D at any level, including fan created monsters, character, adventures, settings, etc. They claimed that the terms Armor Class and Hit Points were their intellectual property and demanded that sysadmins delete what we called "net books" at the time because they were using their property without a license.

IIRC they threatened the Ars Magica archive even though there was no D&D material on it and on Usenet I recall other folks saying that they also got the order even though their ftp sites had no D&D content on them at all just other RPG content. However I don't think anyone actually got sued over it, just a lot of bad will generated with threats. IIRC eventually they hired Sean Reynolds to be their internet guy and he worked his tail off trying to calm everything down.

That incident is one of the many reasons Wizards felt like they had to issue an OGL to the fans in the first place, just to assure everyone that they weren't going to go off and sue everyone. So yeah, I can kinda see why people would be worried about history repeating.
 





GMMichael

Guide of Modos
For example, discuss forms where people post custom D&D Content, Fan-websites and the like.
If this is supposed to read "discussion forums," I wouldn't worry about it. In Merica, anyway. WotC's not going to revoke the first amendment of the constitution .
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
It occurs to me that a new OGL might be problematic for some websites, or sections of them.
So, they might take those sections down to avoid headaches (if not close up all together).

For example, discuss forms where people post custom D&D Content, Fan-websites and the like.

So, I'm making a list of websites I am planning to download/update my copy of as a 'just in case'.
If that occurs, I'll look into putting them online on places like Mega, or even via Torrents

Here is the list below of websites I have book marked that are still active.
If anyone can think of websites that should be saved, please add them.

Please note - with Discussion forms, it would just be the sections with custom D&D/D20/Pathfinder 1e/related content. I suppose I could do 4e and 5e as well, even if I don't personally use them.

http://alternaterealmsblog.wordpress.com/

http://aonprd.com/

http://bardessplace.blogspot.com/

http://blog.aulddragon.com/monster-mythology-update/

http://creaturespotlight.blogspot.com/

http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

http://dnd-wiki.org

http://dungeonmasterblock.freeforums.net/

http://dungeons.wikia.com

http://dungeonswithdragons.wordpress.com/

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com

http://forgottenrealmsforever.wikia.com

http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com

http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/

http://frc.proboards.com/

http://gbttb.obsidianportal.com/wikis/main-page

http://ghwiki.greyparticle.com/index.php/Main_Page

http://index.rpg.net/

http://lauranastlas.proboards.com/

http://manysideddice.com/2015/03/10/a-table-of-contents-thats-better-than-nothing/

http://melkot.com/

http://mimir.net

http://minmaxforum.com/

http://oerthjournal.blogspot.com/

http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/

http://onlinedungeonmaster.com/

http://orkerhulen.dk/Material1.html

http://paizo.com/

http://pandius.com

http://paratime.ca/

http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Pathfinder_release_calendar

http://richten.tripod.com/

http://rpggeek.com/

http://sulerin.com/

http://tgdmb.com/

http://thefatefulforce.com/

http://therpgenius.pbworks.com/

http://www.adnddownloads.com/main.php

https://www.accum.se/~stradh/dnd/mirror/Ezra/books/olear/ADnD/NetBooks.html

https://and-mag.com/

http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/Palcadon/Library.html

http://www.athas.org/

http://www.bastionpress.com/

http://www.birthright.net/

http://www.candlekeep.com/

http://www.canonfire.com/

http://www.dandwiki.com/

http://www.dnd.kismetrose.com

http://www.dndadventure.com/

http://www.dndspeak.com/

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/

http://www.eilistraee.com/

http://www.enworld.org/

http://www.fraternityofshadows.com

http://www.geocities.ws/edymnionii/

http://www.giantitp.com

http://www.istari.org/gnba/

http://www.kargatane.com/

http://www.koboldpress.com/

http://www.livingforgottenrealms.com/

http://www.lpjdesign.com/

http://www.obsidianportal.com/

http://www.padnd.com/

http://www.pandius.com/

http://www.pathfindercommunity.net

http://www.planewalker.com/

http://www.realmshelps.net

http://www.rpg.net/

http://www.rpg-resource.org.uk

http://www.ruemere.com/scarredlands/

http://www.spelljammer.org/

http://www.therpgsite.com/

http://www.thetangledweb.net

http://www.undermountain.org/forums/

http://www.ysolde.ucam.org/wiki/shadow?ShadowWiki

https://dragonlancenexus.com/

https://forum.rpg.net

https://www.acaeum.com

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/dicefreaks/

https://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/index.php
I shudder to think how many terabytes of data that would add up to....
 


Dreamscape

Crafter of fine role-playing games
Irrespective of whether WotC actually attempts to do anything against websites, there is always the risk of the owners just taking them down to avoid problems, or because their interpretation of events is that their site is no longer permitted, or once they receive a complaint from WotC, or just because they've grown tired of running them and this seems like a good reason to finally close up shop. I still remember a much smaller internet when Issaries published its new and confusing fan policy leading to a lot of RuneQuest and/or Glorantha websites disappearing in a short space of time (before some contrite clarification made it clear that the new policy didn't really mean what most people thought it meant).
 

Solauren

Explorer
I shudder to think how many terabytes of data that would add up to....

It's not nearly as intimidating as it sounds. Just do the download, and then zip it.
Compression of HTML/TXT based documents is roughly 7:1
Yeah, graphics run up the size a bit, but that's not to bad.

The 3 Downloads I did of the WOTC Discussion forms, compressed as a Zip, take up just over 3 GB.
The last one I did of Enworld takes up just under 3.5GB, and is 22 on drive uncompressed.
GITP takes just under 400MB zipped,
RPGdotNet takes 2.1 GB zipped,
 

I shudder to think how many terabytes of data that would add up to....
I believe teh new one is PB instead of TB

by the time the next edition change comes our lap tops will have PB

Edit: when I started playing D&D my first computer didn't have memory... you loaded discs in to load programs, and then you put discs in to save to.... I was a bit into 2nd edition when I got one that ran windows and had several KB on it's hard drive...
 
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Do you really think the higher ups will care if they think they can make money suing people?
They can't "make money" suing people.

Hiring proper lawyers, building a proper case, going to court, and so on, even if the other side didn't even turn up would likely cost WotC far, far more than the amount of damages they could realistically extract from any of these websites.

They might sue some for the deterrent value or even just out of general malice, but they sure as hell aren't going to be suing them to "make money".
 

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