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We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

The next few years of Star Wars are going to be interesting given Disney seems set on giving us more Star Wars on an annual basis.
We have Solo in five months, and then nineteen months after that we have Episode IX in 2019. And Johnson's new trilogy is likely going for 2021, 2023, and 2025 (given they have nothing and would need to start filming shortly to be ready for 2020).
That leaves a gap between trilogy films. A still unknown. But a lot of Star War fans don't want prequels (like Rogue One or Solo). And the reaction to The Last Jedi shows that a lot of fans don't want anything new/ different.

It's going to be interesting to see where they go with that. Something super familiar as fan service before the all new all different Johnson trilogy? Something that explores a different era or part of the galaxy? Something in the past? Something in the future? Something set during the events of Episode VII to IX?

The CAnto/casino storyline is definitely the weakest part of the series. I wonder if they just forget about it, or will actually make something about it. Instead of just rebuilding a new rebellion and a new army, will they go after the profiteers?

But I am having trouble building this into a trilogy-finishing Star Wars movie.

Well, it's not my challenge to solve, it's up to Abrams and his team.
Shouldn't be too hard. There are really only two things that need to happen.

1. End the Skywalker bloodline
2. Establish the rebirth of the Jedi

Assuming we are at least 5-6 years past the end of TLJ, the plot of IX could be told from the POV of Kylo searching for Rey, obsessed with ending the Jedi forever. The First Order, under his command, has failed to hold much, if any, of the galaxy, but their overwhelming power means that they can lay waste to anyone who directly confronts them. Kylo forces Leia out of hiding, boards her ship, kills the rebels, and then kills her when she silently refuses to tell him where the Rey and the New Jedi are. The map was on her ship anyhow.

Rey has been busy synthesizing what she learns in the Jedi texts, and a new order of Jedi have emerged, not with a top down structure like the old order, but a diverse one with masters training students in the way they feel is right. They are attacked by the First Order but escape. Kylo continues to chase Rey.

Eventually, Kylo and Rey come into direct conflict. Rey takes a stand, fights him (probably against the advice of Luke) and is victorious.

With no Supreme Leader, General Hux requests an end to hostilities, ending the war. Hux may even be secretly working behind Kylo's back to bring this about.
There's quite a few directions they could go for Episode IX of the "Skywalker Saga". Really, the only thing that needs to happen is for Kylo Ren to die and bring the bloodline to an end. So the series/ franchise can move forward without the "episode" baggage. (Or... for him to live and marry, so they can do an Episode X through XII...)

However, Abrams is a much more conservative storyteller than Johnson. I expect the conclusion to be very safe, hewing close to the formula, for good or ill. As unhappy as some people are with how Johnson failed to use the threads and seeds Abrams left, I suspect just as many people will be unhappy with Abrams ignoring Johnson's seeds and themes.


I imagine it will tell the story of the Resistance crippling the First Order. The push to break their growing hold on the galaxy. In theory, it should end with the First Order destroyed, but that just resets things to how they were at the end of Return of the Jedi, with the heroes winning and no way to continue without negating the success. So, very likely, the movie will end in a stalemate situation. An armistice that keeps the First Order around but has them opposed by an equal force or two.
(Not that I don't put it beyond Abrams to just retell Return of the Jedi.)

I imagine it start with a reinvigorated Resistance that has more ships and rebels. The First Order will likely have some scheme to destroy the Resistance and thus take control of the galaxy. And the Resistance has to launch a mission to stop it. But, really, the First Order should just be taking control of the Republic and ignoring the Resistance whom they believe have been routed: reduced to a handful of people on a single modified freighter.

If I were writing the movie, I'd focus on the tensions between Kylo Ren and Hux. The conflict between the Force (the supernatural) and the military (the scientific), which was a theme hinted at in A New Hope that was never really addressed. Before, Emperor and Snoke were both unassailablely powerful, so the military unquestioningly obeyed the follower of the "ancient religion". But Kylo Ren has significantly less support.
Honestly, that should be the real conflict of the movie: the growing schism between Kylo Ren and Hux as they both try to maintain control of the First Order. That should be the Act II twist, with the Resistance bloodying the nose of one (likely Kylo Ren) leading to the other's betrayal as they try and seize power. It'd be neat to have the reversal of Return of the Jedi and having Kylo Ren come to Rey for help against Hux. Neither trying to corrupt or redeem, because they both know that time has passed, and just reluctantly working together to end Hux.

Again, were I writing it, I'd have the opening tension be the Knights of Ren hunting down Rey. The fan service of a lightsaber fight.
Meanwhile the Resistance struggles to train new pilots and get the funds for more ships. For a few years, the Resistance was being forced to act less like a military force attacking well armed targets and more an underground rebellion that blows up what they can. Full circle to the pre-Alliance days. Trying to fight the good fight despite now being below underdog status. And they've only just recovered enough to resume old operations. And then they're pushed into mission before they're ready, because Kylo Ren might have left himself vulnerable.
I think at the end it's important to have the Jedi Order reestablished. To have begun to grow. It might be nice to even give Rey some apprentices. So you can have stories with new Jedi at some point.

But there's so many directions it could go. The film could start with Kylo Ren just killing Hux and seizing control. There could be another planet destroying super weapon. Likely spherical in nature. Heck, it could be a chase across the galaxy for the last component of the superweapon. It could go dark and gritty with the Resistance being forced to use suicide bombings to destroy First Order facilities and ships and acting more like the French Resistance in WW2.
 

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Derren

Hero
The next few years of Star Wars are going to be interesting given Disney seems set on giving us more Star Wars on an annual basis.
We have Solo in five months, and then nineteen months after that we have Episode IX in 2019. And Johnson's new trilogy is likely going for 2021, 2023, and 2025 (given they have nothing and would need to start filming shortly to be ready for 2020).
Dont expect much from Solo. Rumors are that the film is a mess compared to which the filming of the DC movies went on without problems.
It even goes so far as they had to give the main actor additional lessons in acting because how bad he played his role.
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
For a better dramatic story, Episode IX should show a functioning New Republic plus the Resistance (or what's left of them) that both occupy the First Order's time.

Kylo and Hux do not agree which enemy to take down first so the FO fritters away what should be strong advantages against each into a grinding near-stalemate against both. Chasing down and trying to destroy Resistance members causes collateral damage that turns the local system to join the Republic; attacking and conquering a system opens up new targets (the garrisons) for the Resistance to strike. Somewhere in there have an SD Captain and his XO briefly argue / discuss which part of their orders should take precedence, or can the other part be accomplished in the given situation.
(The IRL model is the Bosnian Civil War: the Bosnian Serbs tried to attack everybody else at once, got only half-way to any goal, and were eventually ganged up on by everybody they had just ticked off at 'em.)

The Climactic Fight Of The Trilogy could be a THREE-way battle between Kylo, Hux, and Rey-and-friends.
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
Maybe a better use of the Finn character and his background:

Write him as if his personal anthem was Bob Segar's I'm Not a Number.
"I feel like a number. / But I'm not a number, / D*****t I'm a man. / I said I'm a man!"
 

Dont expect much from Solo. Rumors are that the film is a mess compared to which the filming of the DC movies went on without problems.
It even goes so far as they had to give the main actor additional lessons in acting because how bad he played his role.
Yeah... but it's being handled now by Ron Howard: an Oscar winning director behind 40+ films who knows his stuff. So it has a decent chance of being good. And Rogue One featured a lot of negative rumours over its intensive reshoots.
People just want there to be (another) terrible Star Wars film to see the franchise stumble (forgetting all the abjectly awful ones already out there...)
 

Jhaelen

First Post
One ship on autopilot vs. a fleet of star destroyers. Not doing that all the time is simple incompetence.
Well, it was a Mon Calamari Star Cruiser, after all, not just any ship. IIRC, these things are more expensive and take much longer to build than star destroyers.

What did surprise me, though, was that it's apparently possible for a single person to maneuver it. What do they need the dozens or hundreds of crew personal for that are required according to the ship's spec?

Imho, the movie's worst scene is right at the beginning: The Resistance's bomber squadron. I mean really?! That must be the most idiotic space ship war design I've ever seen: actually having to drop bombs on an enemy ship?! Dudes, this is supposed to be a space battle!

The 'Leia in Space' was completely sensible by comparison, 'cause she totally digs the Force, mkay?!

I also felt many of the dialogues were groanworthy reminding me rather painfully of Episode 1-3. Just because almost all Star Wars movies feature bad dialogue doesn't mean it's required, right?

All in the all, I don't think it was a bad movie. Not really. But it still left a bad aftertaste for some reason. Probably for the reasons epithet mentioned. I'm not really looking forward to episode IX, now. I have higher hopes for the spin-offs.
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
What did surprise me, though, was that it's apparently possible for a single person to maneuver it. What do they need the dozens or hundreds of crew personal for that are required according to the ship's spec?

Most of them wouldn't be involved in steering the ship anyway. There'd be dozens of positions just for maintenance of the ship and its complex systems, then many more for operational control including gunnery, navigation, communication, damage control, flight control and tending of fighters and transports, fleet coordination, and then maintenance of the ship's personnel including food service and medical. Just look up the kind of crew positions exist on an aircraft carrier and you'll have an idea - most of them aren't involved in maneuvering the ship either.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Imho, the movie's worst scene is right at the beginning: The Resistance's bomber squadron. I mean really?! That must be the most idiotic space ship war design I've ever seen: actually having to drop bombs on an enemy ship?! Dudes, this is supposed to be a space battle!

That is actually something that makes sense. Gravity is universal and weak over long distances. Bombs would drop to the closest biggest item around, like the dreadnought. Only thing is the bombs would also keep moving forward by inertia, but dropping bombs on a target with hundred's of times the mass of the bomber should work.
 

Mallus

Legend
That must be the most idiotic space ship war design I've ever seen: actually having to drop bombs on an enemy ship?! Dudes, this is supposed to be a space battle!
It's supposed to be a space battle... from a certain point of view.

From another point of view, it's a Star Wars movie. So the fighters and bombers behave like aircraft in a WWII-era movie, with the backdrop of clouds replaced by a star field, and the capital ships are like aircraft carriers that go broadsides like they're in a movie set during the Age of Sail.

It all makes (a kind of) sense if you think about it terms of a director combining different cinematic representations of air- and naval combat from several different time periods, except now in space, without a science fiction writers regard for extrapolating what space warfare might actually look like.

I mean, it's the same approach Lucas used in the original trilogy.

Personally, I loved the New B-Wings. And the brave little A-Wing that tried to provide cover for their pokey sitting-duck butts. It made me wonder how much X-Wing Rian Johnson played on his parents PC when he was a kid!
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member

That is actually something that makes sense. Gravity is universal and weak over long distances. Bombs would drop to the closest biggest item around, like the dreadnought. Only thing is the bombs would also keep moving forward by inertia, but dropping bombs on a target with hundred's of times the mass of the bomber should work.

The explanation is more simple than that and works perfectly.

The bomber has artificial gravity inside it (as is made clear from the pilots’ movement within). When you drop something inside it, and then remove the floor, it will keep going ‘down’ in a straight line because there’s nothing to stop it.
 

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