Weapon damage mods

[hong]

Which modifiers go inside the [ ], and which outside?

Ability modifier - outside (obviously)
Versatile - outside
Enhancement/magic weapon - inside
Weapon Focus - inside?
Others - inside?

 

[Zurai]

Only the dice are counted in the [W]. The others are added outside implicitly, except for stat modifiers, which are only included if explicitly called for.

 

[hong]

I thought it was established that a magic weapon added to the damage inside the [ ].

 

[Zurai]

PHB page 276:
"Roll the damage indicated in the power description. If you're using a weapon for the attack, the damage is some multiple of the weapon damage dice.

...

In addition, any of the following may apply to the damage roll:
...
An enhancement bonus"

 

[NorthSaber]

A) So if a Str 18 Eladrin Fighter with the feat Eladrin Soldier used Sure Strike (no Str bonus to damage) while wielding a +1 longsword two-handed, how much damage would he do?

B) How about if he attacked with Brute Strike instead?

The way I figure it:

A) 1d8 (longsword) +1 (magic) +1 (versatile) +2 (feat) = 1d8+4

B) 3d8 (longsword) +1 (magic) +1 (versatile) +2 (feat) +4 (strength) = 3d8+8

Page 276 has a pretty clear example - only the rolled dice (both normal damage and crit) get multiplied.

This means that attacks that give you multiple hits at 1[W] are usually better than ones that give you a single high-damage hit, as you get the secondary bonuses multiplied by the amount of hits.

 

[Danceofmasks]

As well as more chances of rolling crits ... and using 'em to recharge powers by being a swordmaster .. *whistles innocently*

Getting back from tangent, longsword does D8

 

[hong]

A) So if a Str 18 Eladrin Fighter with the feat Eladrin Soldier used Sure Strike (no Str bonus to damage) while wielding a +1 longsword two-handed, how much damage would he do?

B) How about if he attacked with Brute Strike instead?

The way I figure it:

A) 1d8 (longsword) +1 (magic) +1 (versatile) +2 (feat) = 1d8+4

Is there a cite for this?

 

[Zurai]

Is there a cite for this?

Same page I quoted earlier. Those things are applied separately from ability modifiers and are applied any time you roll damage.

 

[hong]

Ta.