Weapon Finesse,Unarmed combat...

[Celestian]

Can you take the weapon finesse feat and use it with unarmed combat? The feats says light weapon...

Thanks1

 

[Zhure]

Yes. Check out the equipment section.

From the SRD:
"Strike, Unarmed: A Medium-size character deals 1d3 points of subdual damage with an unarmed strike, which may be a punch, kick, head butt, or other type of attack. A Small character deals 1d2 points of subdual damage. The damage from an unarmed strike is considered weapon damage for the purposes of effects that provide a bonus to weapon damage.

Use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply a character's Dexterity modifier instead of the Strength modifier to attack rolls with an unarmed strike."

Hope that helps,
Greg

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

Weapon finesse states that it can be chosen for any weapon one or more sizes smaller than you.

An unarmed strike is always considered to be 2 size categories smaller than yourself. Therefore, you can select Unarmed Strike for weapon finesse.

There was, however, a variant presented in S&F that allowed characters to make a two-handed disarm attempt, raising the weapon size to that of the attacker. Extrapolating from that, if you make a two-fisted attack (dealing unarmed damage + 1.5 times your Str modifier) you may not finesse that attack.

Hope that helps.

 

[Zhure]

Interesting. One can extrapolate that a Raging STR 20 Half-Orc Barbarian (STR 24) with Improved Unarmed Strike would do a double-fisted damage of 1d3+9 damage. SWEET! Makes monks a lot less the masters of unarmed damage until higher levels.

Reading some of the things Bruce Cordell wrote about Bite of the Wolf et al, it makes sense.

I might have to play a Half-Orc PsyWar using Bite of the Tiger. w00t

Greg
Greg

 

[Storm Raven]

Interesting. One can extrapolate that a Raging STR 20 Half-Orc Barbarian (STR 24) with Improved Unarmed Strike would do a double-fisted damage of 1d3+9 damage. SWEET! Makes monks a lot less the masters of unarmed damage until higher levels.

Note that the Barbarian in your example still only deal subdual damage, while a monk can deal real damage.

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

Note that the Barbarian in your example still only deal subdual damage, while a monk can deal real damage.

Not quite, he stated that the Barbarian has IUS, which lets the Barb deal his 1d3 as martial.

 

[Zhure]

IUS removes the AoO, it doesn't make it lethal damage.

Spiked Guantlets will do that just fine.

Greg

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

Wow, I always thought that IUS didn't suck. I guess I was wrong.

 

[Zhure]

Oh, no, IUS sucketh rocks.

It would be ok if it were part of a Feat chain leading to improved damage, or to lethal damage. (I know it's already part of a number of Feat chains, that's what keeps it from sucking completely.)

Greg

 

[CRGreathouse]

Note that the Barbarian in your example still only deal subdual damage, while a monk can deal real damage.

Unless he takes a -4 penalty to deal real damage.