Weapons Locker info

[BrooklynKnight]

I must admit, it felt like a rehash of UMF from Green Ronin, Only with Granade Launchers and Barrel Shotguns.

I do like it though.

 

[d20Dwarf]

It's all guns!

 

[d4]

249=5.56, M60=7.62, not sure if both are still in general use, but I believe so.

yes i know, i was a unit armorer in the Army.

i hadn't heard of the M240G before (at least it wasn't being used in my infantry unit at the time i left the military), so i was wondering what it was. (at the time i left, the 249 was replacing 60's in the Army in all line infantry squads. at least light infantry, which was the type of unit i was in. the only separate weapons platoon we had was mortars. since we didn't use vehicles, we only carried small arms and other man-portable weapons.)

so what is the 240G? a machine gun, obviously, but what caliber? just curious...

 

[bubbalin]

yes i know, i was a unit armorer in the Army.

i hadn't heard of the M240G before (at least it wasn't being used in my infantry unit at the time i left the military), so i was wondering what it was. (at the time i left, the 249 was replacing 60's in the Army in all line infantry squads. at least light infantry, which was the type of unit i was in. the only separate weapons platoon we had was mortars. since we didn't use vehicles, we only carried small arms and other man-portable weapons.)

so what is the 240G? a machine gun, obviously, but what caliber? just curious...

The M240 is the US designation for the FN MAG, known as the GPMG (I know that's a generic term) in the british army. IIRC the designation was L7. It is a 7.62 NATO weapon, and came out about the same time as the M60... Just the US was too stubborn at the time to use a weapon not designed in the good ole US of A...
According to everything I have read it is a very relieable weapon. It's from the same stable as the M-249.


This book sounds good even if I have UMF... I'll probably grab it sooner or later.
anything else anybody wants to say? Could we get a listing of weapons if anybody has some time?

 

[Kesh]

More specifally the M4A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher.

It looks like an M60E3, which was the "light" version of the M60 used by the Marine Corps prior to their adoption of the M240G (ie the FN-MAG to the rest of the world).

The M60E3 7.62mm is a lightweight, gas operated, air cooled, disintegrating metallic link-belt fed, man portable, general purpose machine gun. (Wow hard to believe I still remember all that verbatim from SOI! )

Wonderful! Thank you for the correction, and information.

Now, does anyone know what the heck that shotgun is?

 

[Kesh]

The M240 is the US designation for the FN MAG, known as the GPMG (I know that's a generic term) in the british army.

Ohhhh, so it is the FN MAG then? I thought they looked similar, but wasn't sure.

 

[Krieg]

I'm actually going to go back on what I said earlier. *gasp* lol

I'm betting that the M60 on the cover of the book is actually supposed to be an M60E4 (rather than E3) which was a short-barreled variant used by the SEAL teams. Under Navy nomenclature it would be the Mk 43 Mod 0.

I originally was thinking that the image on the cover was just poorly handled perspective, but I'm willing to bet the short barrel was intentional.

So what is the 240G? a machine gun, obviously, but what caliber? just curious...

In the early 90's the USMC wanted to replace the M60E3 but didn't have the cash to develop a new weapon or procure them from an outside source. As resourceful as ever they acquired a number of vehicle mounted (coax & pintle) M240E1s from the Army. They replaced the spade grips and/or electric solenoid with pistol grip/buttstock & put them back into infantry service and type-classed them M240G.

The success of the experiment wasn't lost on the Army. When they fast tracked their own M60 replacement program they also went with the M240, but instead of modifying vehicle mount versions, they purchased new weapons that were factory built as infantry weapons. It became the M240B.

The USMC's M240G:

The US Army's M240B:

The most noticeable difference is the addition of a forward heat shield on the Army's version.

According to everything I have read it (M240) is a very relieable weapon. It's from the same stable as the M-249.

Actually the M240 & M249 are not directly related. There is a 7.62 version of the M249 in use with the US Navy (ie SEAL teams) known as the Mk 48 Mod 0 (in Navy nomenclature the M249 is the Mk 46).

The adoption of the M240 in an infantry roll by the USMC/Army was merely a short term solution. There is a strong possibility that the Mk 48 will be the long term medium machine gun replacement for the US.

Now, does anyone know what the heck that shotgun is?

I'd have to see a larger picture of it say for certain. It's either a Mossberg 500, Remington 870 or Winchester 1300 w/aftermarket pistol grips.

If you can spot where the safety is located on the full size pic that will tell you which it is.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I'd have to see a larger picture of it say for certain. It's either a Mossberg 500, Remington 870 or Winchester 1300 w/aftermarket pistol grips.

If you can spot where the safety is located on the full size pic that will tell you which it is.

Rem 870 LEO's have the folding stock just like that, and the front sling swivel too (plate instead of stud).

The 1911 looks to be an STI/ SVI, square trigger guard, mag well,that conical bushing, has the general appearance.

 

[buzz]

AEG's Modern Arms Guide goes into loving and useful detail about the qualities that differentiate one model from another. The book does this by adding a few additional traits--Accuracy, Recoil--and putting traits to some models (e.g. Takedown: Target must make Fortitude save vs. DC equal to damage taken or be knocked prone.) not all of which are positive (e.g. Awkward: Target suffers a one-time -2 penalty to Initiative.). The benefit is that these real-world traits get on the character sheet and thus see use where it matters--during actual play--because if it isn't on the sheet, then it doesn't matter.

But, you're kind of proving my point. *Extra* mechanics needed to be added to make the distinctions worthwhile.

Regardless, a book like MAG is very much in keeping with the espionage genre, because espionage cares about guns. I don't really thnk SW, as a genre, gives a rat's patootie, so giving me detailed blaster listings actually breaks SOD for me. But that's just me.

 

[bubbalin]

Actually the M240 & M249 are not directly related. There is a 7.62 version of the M249 in use with the US Navy (ie SEAL teams) known as the Mk 48 Mod 0 (in Navy nomenclature the M249 is the Mk 46).

I actually said the same stable, meaning the same company, which is FN... So in that sense they are related.

Are you sure about a 7.62 version of the M-249, from what I recall, they designed the M-249 independently from the MAG because of the different cartridges instead of just scaling down... Would you have a corroborating source?