Well that was fun...

[stonegod]

Yeah, so much for the "you can still play a gnome, it's in the MM" argument.
(Not that I wanted to play one, but i have a friend who... well not really a friend, some guy i know...)
Another broken promise, I guess.

I believe the statement was never "gnomes will be completely playable" but "you *can* play a gnome, though it won't get all the cool PC benes." However, my Google-fu is tired this morning. That, however, was my reading long before the books arrived.

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

I believe the statement was never "gnomes will be completely playable" but "you *can* play a gnome, though it won't get all the cool PC benes." However, my Google-fu is tired this morning. That, however, was my reading long before the books arrived.

Don't lessen the drama with the inclusion of facts or reason, please.

 

[Fifth Element]

It seems like you're asking that WotC sell you inspiration. Or imagination. Maybe some of your childhood back. That's a tall order.

Indeed. A common (implicit) request, and one that can never be fulfilled.

 

[Fifth Element]

I believe the statement was never "gnomes will be completely playable" but "you *can* play a gnome, though it won't get all the cool PC benes."

Yes, that's right. But that won't stop some from inferring a written-in-stone promise from WotC that they can now claim has been broken.

 

[hectorse]

Yes, that's right. But that won't stop some from inferring a written-in-stone promise from WotC that they can now claim has been broken.

At least until they release the DDI article for Gnomes

 

[Imaro]

Perhaps the problem lies not in the rules but in yourself, Horatio.

It seems like you're asking that WotC sell you inspiration. Or imagination. Maybe some of your childhood back. That's a tall order. And isn't the inspiration for your campaign supposed to come from literature, and to a lesser extent, film? Every edition I own says something to that effect. You want inspiration? Read Conan or LotR, not pages 126-150 of the PHB...

Indeed. A common (implicit) request, and one that can never be fulfilled.

Really, just really...ok let's test this out.

4e description of Basilisk: Basilisks are predatory reptiles that hunt with a deadly gaze attack. They are not malicious creatures, but their gaze makes them widely feared.

3e description of a Basilisk: A basilisk is a reptilian monster that petrifies living creatures with a mere gaze. Surviving a fight with a basilisk requires either careful preparation or considerable good fortune.
Basilisks are found in nearly every climate, and often in underground areas as well. They tend to lair in shallow burrows, caves or other sheltered areas. The entrance to a basilisks lair is sometimes distinguished by lifelike stone statues or carvings, which are actually creatures that ran afoul of the creatures gaze. Basilisks are omnivorous and able to consume their petrified victims. They make effective guardians, if one has the magical or monetary resources to capture and contain them.
A basilisk usually has a dull brown body with a yellowish underbelly. Some specimens sport a short, curved horn atop the nose. An adult basilisks body grows to about 6 feet long, not including it's tail which can reach an additional length of 5 to 7 feet. The creature weighs about 300 pounds.

I don't think it's nostalgia, faulty memory or unreasonable expectations. The description in 3.5 is brimming with inspiration for adventures with a basilisk, the 4e one is just flat.

 

[Tao]

I believe the statement was never "gnomes will be completely playable" but "you *can* play a gnome, though it won't get all the cool PC benes." However, my Google-fu is tired this morning. That, however, was my reading long before the books arrived.

I'm playing a level 7 gnome warlock at the moment. No problems so far.

 

[Fifth Element]

Really, just really...ok let's test this out.

...

I don't think it's nostalgia, faulty memory or unreasonable expectations. The description in 3.5 is brimming with inspiration for adventures with a basilisk, the 4e one is just flat.

Inspiration, I'll give you. But note the post I was responding to said inspiration, imagination and a bit of your childhood.

Edit: Also, I think 4E provides more in terms of inspiration in the monster's powers than 3E did. There's less flavour text, but generally the powers are more interesting and provide more possibilities than in 3E.

 

[MrGrenadine]

Sorry pal, but you are probably just burnt out in general.

Not only is 4e self evidently a winner, but many of your points go beyond a stale, contridictary opinion and are just patently wrong.

I stopped reading your post right there...pal.

Obviously, 4e can not be any sort of self-evident "winner". What is it winning--"Most current release by the company that owns D&D"?

And how in the world can one person's opinion about the game be wrong? He doesn't like it, and you do. There are plenty of people that would agree with either of you, (or both), and thats all there is to it. Neither party can claim to be "right" in this matter--4e is either a game you want to play, or it isn't.

So, how about you let bygones be bygones, and cut out the bullying?


MrG

 

[jdrakeh]

What is it winning--"Most current release by the company that owns D&D"?

How about "Sold out the largest print run of D&D core books in more than a decade?"