Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
Does thinking of it earlier and never implementing or publishing it count?
Nah, didn't think so either...
Pathfinder 1E What Direction is Pathfinder Headed In?
- Thread starter joethelawyer
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Does thinking of it earlier and never implementing or publishing it count?
Nah, didn't think so either...
Jack99
Adventurer
WotC had at least one prestige class who could make items (armor, weapons and shields I believe) without being a spellcaster. So while it is a great idea to implement in the core game (Like in 4e) is a great idea, it's hardly groundbreaking.
Betote
First Post
That would be very interesting... If the monster classes are not similar to what 4e is doing now. We already have 4e for that, don't we?
RefinedBean
First Post
Well, WotC thought of it earlier. Maybe.
EDIT: I suck at the Internet, didn't even see Jack's post. Sorry!
James Jacobs
Adventurer
The main goal of the Pathfinder RPG isn't to reinvent the game; it's to keep the rules in print so that Paizo can continue producing Adventure Paths and sourcebooks and game material we're producing. With the 3.5 core books out of print now, they'll eventually become more and more difficult to find, and that's not a good place to be in for a company that mostly produces sourcebooks and adventures for that system. So we decided to take a stab at taking the game in the next step along one possible evolutionary path.
The end goal, in my mind, is to create a core rules set that allows us to continue building Adventure Paths and supplements in the same way we have been for the past 18 months or so for Pathfinder. Anyone who's looked through those products has a pretty good idea (whether they know it or not) what direction we're trying to guide the Pathfinder RPG in. At the same point, we're taking our own experience with the game over the past several years, feedback from customers over the past several years (from both Pathfinder and Dungeon/Dragon magazine), and feedback from our tens of thousands of playtesters in order to inform our decisions on what needs fixing, what needs adjustment, and what should not be changed.
It's easy, alas, to look at the playtest forums and get overwhelmed. It's a little overwhelming to us, that's for sure; a LOT of people have a LOT to say. But in the end, the Pathfinder RPG is going to be the best game it can be at supporting the style of Adventure Path Paizo produces... be they Pathfinder Adventure Paths, Dungeon Magazine Adventure Paths, or whatever.
The end goal, in my mind, is to create a core rules set that allows us to continue building Adventure Paths and supplements in the same way we have been for the past 18 months or so for Pathfinder. Anyone who's looked through those products has a pretty good idea (whether they know it or not) what direction we're trying to guide the Pathfinder RPG in. At the same point, we're taking our own experience with the game over the past several years, feedback from customers over the past several years (from both Pathfinder and Dungeon/Dragon magazine), and feedback from our tens of thousands of playtesters in order to inform our decisions on what needs fixing, what needs adjustment, and what should not be changed.
It's easy, alas, to look at the playtest forums and get overwhelmed. It's a little overwhelming to us, that's for sure; a LOT of people have a LOT to say. But in the end, the Pathfinder RPG is going to be the best game it can be at supporting the style of Adventure Path Paizo produces... be they Pathfinder Adventure Paths, Dungeon Magazine Adventure Paths, or whatever.
Darrin Drader
Explorer
It's already been answered, but yes, it's one of the important issues that they have promised to address. Lisa Stevens did comment on the issue, stating that this is a directive coming down from HER.
My opinion? This is one area where 4E scored a touchdown. If Pathfinder were to embrace the 1/2 level + ability modifier mechanic and insert that into the 3.5 rules, that would do a lot to fix a good number of the problems without compromising the whole system.
Wisdom Penalty
First Post
James Jacobs said:
I don't suppose I'm reading too much into this (with a ton of wishful thinking) when I ask whether that "Dungeon Magazine Adventure Path" comment means Paizo may be taking Dungeon back? (I ask since the Dungeon APs existed prior to PF seeing the light of day.)
Also, James, if you care to comment on whether PF will be tackling high-level play and/or how that may happen, I'm sure inquiring minds would like to know.
Thanks!
WP
Edit: Thanks for the reply Darrin.
thecasualoblivion
First Post
As for the system being in print, I would say in this era finding used RPG books in good condition on Amazon or eBay is trivial, and Paizo/Pathfinder fans tend to be computer savvy on the whole. I'd say its more for the image of publishing for a live system as opposed to a dead one.
Tequila Sunrise
Adventurer
Oh, Jason's work definitely is an improvement. It's just that he's limiting himself to one degree of improvement where he could easily attain several degrees even if he were to merely disassociate creature type from HD and HD from BAB, base saves, skills and such.
He wouldn't even have to define a bunch of different monster roles like 4e does, although that would help. The roles in the 3e MM could work well enough for PF (battler, caster, special attack user, combo).
TS
James Jacobs
Adventurer
Yup! You're reading too much into it. The "Dungeon Magazine Adventure Path" comment was only really a comment that the way I went about building Adventure Paths for Dungeon and Pathfidner are pretty much the same (with improvements each time, of course; it's a constant learning process for me!).
The Pathfinder RPG will indeed be tackling high level play. We'll be playtesting it exclusively in a few weeks, in fact. We've already got a few ideas I'm eager to try out (such as limiting the number of buff spells a character can have on at a time and looking long and hard at those extra iterative attacks and how they're handled and a few more things).
