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Agree: A fun gaming experience doesn't hinge nearly as much on the system as people think, nor do you need to be playing the 'New Hotness' just you can always have additional material sources of further 'new hotness'. I still use the Sea Devils as a source on Sahuagin. Fluff never goes bad.

Disagree: AD&D is still a mechanical nightmare, and no, its not just the Initiative system. ;)

Good post. Reading the retro font always seems to require more effort of eyes, though as neat as it looks.
 

When 4e first came out I initially looked at converting to Pathfinder so I could continue to feed my hunger for new stuff. I just didn't like the style of 4e and decided it wasn't for me. Then I took a long hard look at the enormous library of 1st through 3rd edition books on my shelf and said, "You know what? I'm done." The only thing I need WotC for these days are cheap minis I can buy second-hand from eBay so that I actually get what I want rather that this stupid thing.
 

I know that there are many reasons. I was responding specifically to the way the behavior of that bunch of players was coming across. I guess that I am not accustomed to putting up with such rudeness from those I game with. I run whatever I feel like. When a buddy wants to run something, I play it. I am in a 4E game right now. I'm not wild about the system and I won't run it, but I can enjoy playing with my friends no matter what rules we use. I wonder if that is rare in the gaming community? Do we game with friends and enjoy our evening no matter what we play or do we find a bunch of people that play our version of whatever and play with them only as long as they use the system we support? I am in the former group. I like my friends more than any edition.

Not playing in a particular game is no ruder than the GM springing a system on you that you don't like. I like my friends just fine, but there are some things we agree not to play because some friends in the group don't like the game. But then, we also have various groups of friends we all game with, and a game that won't work for one group, might for another.
 


So if you don't want the rules re-written, and you don't need a steady source of books (despite having that from the noted places), and you've got adventures to last you until the late 2020's, what do you need WotC for? Screw 'em! Let them sail off into the sunset with 4e while we drift lazily behind, you guys in your boat, we in ours, but all in the same current.

A commendable thought.

It´s just that....

Most posters are multi-tasking-enabled. They can post threads where they jubilate about getting 20 3e books for cheap on Ebay, and THEN start a thread how 4e killed too many playstyles and just left them behind. I know, your post was a call for "chill, all´s well." But it doesn´t work like that. For many D&D fans, the game should reflect what THEY want. Even if they don´t play it. Especially if they don´t play it.

Just look at Dragonsfoot. You´ll never find a community more self-aware of the unbelievable amount of cool D&D stuff out there. Heck, they even make their own, and quite professional at that. If people heeded your call, you´d never get the occassional "see what dumb things WotC / 4tards have done now!"

But you will. Like clockwork.
 

I like your reasoning. That's the old-school way of thought!

Before 3E came out, me and my friends were playing D&D for years using just the three 2E core-books plus a smattering of OD&D/1E material we could find (back then we didn't have much English D&D books here in Israel, just the old Hebrew translations made by a company which was already bankrupt for years even back then, and ordering from the internet was expensive and took more than a month to ship). We had lots of fun. Sure, we experimented with houserules extensively, made up new monsters and items (not that difficult in the pre-3E days where balance wasn't as much of an issue), and handwaved some stuff but we didn't really feel the need for more books.
 


Really? Did you miss a smiley after this line?

There... doesn't seem to be any smiley there. There is a tangential smiley at the end of the post, but the core of the post itself seems to very firmly be thinking that thedungeondelver was telling you to leave, which he wasn't. The entire response seems to have been to a misreading of his post, and taken down the level of discourse in a pretty positive thread. If you intended it to be humorous, you might want to edit it and toss that smiley back in...
 



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