What does the go D20 ruling mean for the living campaigns?

[jasamcarl]

Bravo Adso!!!

Incidentally, I love it when people claim that their pet style/game/sacred cow is in the interests of the masses. As if consumer habits were a conspiracy by corporate America to provide people with what they don't want. I would love to see the endless well of gold any such company would need to stay afloat with such dubious policies.

 

[Dr. Strangemonkey]

With some respect to my original question and the new data...

...is there any way that living Seattle could really go d20? I'm not certain where the copyrights lie these days, but how much support could they get from WOTC on authorizing a conversion attempt?

My interest in this is purely selfish as I love the Shadowrun setting, but hate running the rules. I think a d20 conversion is certainly very possible in terms of preserving the feel of the world, particularly with d20 modern, but I'd prefer not to do it myself.

 

[Corinth]

Notice: I've posted a link to this thread at RPG Net. I've also quoted Adso's first response because it answered a similiar question to PCat's. That is all.

 

[Piratecat]

Stephen, great response. Very honest, descriptive - and appreciated. Thank you.

As a FYI, I'm posting a link to this thread for the RPGA Gamemasters email list.

 

[Waylander the Slayer]

That was a well informed response. But the issue it seems to point out is the fact that your budget has been cut and you only have 2 full time employees from 8.

This fact absolutely makes no sense taking into the fact that the membership has grown at such a tremendous rate. I work as a business consultant for a lot of firms and it is such shortsightedness - trying to meet short term goals and ignoring the true nature of the industry (if the market had matured or in a down cycle, i would have no issues with the downsizing) that bankrupt companies.

It alienates the customer base at a time it needs to be nurtured. I have usually seen the trend that companies that follow this trend end up in bankruptcy within 3 years.

Maybe someone needs to step up to the plate...

 

[JodiO]

all about da Benjamins

Well, one thing that i've not noticed mentioned is that the Open License that previously applied to d20 has been or is being changed to net Wotc/Hasbro more money for d20 systems, and since shadowrun is not d20 it won't make them any money, while Living spycraft, Living etc and etc are all d20, and so Hasbro is going to be making money off every book that you buy to play in a d20 game...

Interesting, eh?

As far as the RPGA, I'll say that it's been changed from a group of GAMERS running a GAMING organization to a group of MONEYMEN running a MONEYMAKING organization... or at least so I see it...

The first RPGA games that I played were Shatterzone, D&D, and shadowrun (*none were living*)... so out of my FIRST contact with the RPGA was 2/3 NOT d20 (not that there was d20 back then.. but pointedly, 2 of the 3 were not WotC products)

VS maybe dying, blah blah blah, but I believe that the decision to remove it from the RPGA stems from da benjamins, not from a lack of interest.... How many Classics were Cthulhu, or shadowrun? Never any more. Not just a few, not ANY. the RPGA has now become the Hd20RPMMCA (Hasbro d20 Role Playing Money Making/Counting Association).. Notice that there's no place for Gamers in it anymore.

Kzanh, One of the Less Than 1 Percent

 

[reiella]

Just curious how exactly Living Spycraft would net Hasbro anymore money? Beyond requiring that people who play spycraft own some WotC d20 ruleset book to give the base framework (XP and umm stat generation?). And that isn't exactly a change, that's always been how the d20 license was presented...

However, Wizards still doesn't make any money off the sale of Spycraft. If they do, umm, is it a different license agreement or did they retroactively change the d20STL?

 

[Plane Sailing]

Its already happened in the UK.

Since the RPGA basically spent the whole of last year lying to UK members and running down the network the UK executive quit and formed there own organisation.

See http://www.ravenuk.com/ for details.

I can't get any response from that URL, although it is cached by google... seems to be down at present.

 

[ced1106]

Well, as a demo monkey for a few non-rpg companies -- not to mention previous threads complaining about RPGA -- sure, why not have the companies of their own rpg's be responsible for their promotion? CCG companies already do this with their storyline and other tournament systems.

I also remember ye olden days when it was us gamers who were responsible for running games. All you needed was this white box, three brown books, funny looking dice, your friends, and some imagination.


Cedric.
aka. Washu! ^O^

 

[Darius101]

White box?
I remember when all ya needed was imagination and a bunch of dice and some paper to write on (maybe a pencil hahaha). The Books were memorized and if not ..then you needed those books too.
ahhhh simpler days....